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[JohnnyYuma]

Well, I don't really think that electing Trump has changed much, possibly apart from the anti-climate change attitude (which I do not approve of) and trying to repeal Obamacare (but not really making the system 100% government free). America has been shifting toward moderate socialist reforms since the 1930s and the process does not really stop with his election. Think about it:

Labor law - it will stay, he is not contesting it and it violates the freedom of contract significantly
Minimum wage - it renders too many people unemployed, won't do anything about it
Income taxes - won't repeal them altogether, just lower them a bit
Corporate taxes - ditto
VAT - ditto
Redistribution of wealth - little to nothing will change
Subsidization - we will keep redistributing wealth to subsidize what government wants to subsidize
Protectionism - "protective" tariffs will remain, even worse, we might actually try to block European and Asian cars which violates individual rights to engage in a free commerce, but the left-wing system of blocking commerce will remain.

Don't call Trump a revolutionary, he will change 1% of what is there, 99% of socialist policies will remain.

[Neonivek]

1% changes is quite a lot for a government. You want a slower pace of government so that it can adjust to the changes without it being too disruptive.

Even some of the biggest changes in American History were rather small but had resounding responses and consequences.

[Ekaton]

1% changes is quite a lot for a government. You want a slower pace of government so that it can adjust to the changes without it being too disruptive.

Even some of the biggest changes in American History were rather small but had resounding responses and consequences.

I would say that there were quite a few huge changes in American history. Apart from the Revolution, here are a few.

1. Civil War - Introducing an income tax, violating habeas corpus, introducing martial law, confiscation of property and positively, getting rid of slavery.
2. Introducing the Federal Reserve - a real revolution when it comes to monetary matters.
3. First World War - censorship, drafting people into the miltary against their will, spitting on the rights of an individual in general.
4. Prohibition - forcing people to comply with a ridiculous idea to ban alcohol, destroying a whole industry and the livelihoods of thousands, and by accident creating powerful criminal organizations.
5. New Deal - a lot of unconstitutional measures, bullying the Supreme Court into submission when it questioned them, public expenditures skyrocketed.

I agree that since the 1940s there have been no huge changes, but overall Obama's term marked some pretty significant left-wing changes such as Obamacare. This is both a huge change and a long-term one.

[martinuzz]

don't feed the troll

[Neonivek]

don't feed the troll

It makes for an incompetent subject to troll people. Given Bay12's vocal political community is left leaning or moderate. Absolutely no one is offended, they just find the topic creator to be weird.

Though some of this IS interesting. Like a desire for redistribution of wealth but a dislike of things like Income tax and corporate tax.

[Ekaton]

don't feed the troll

I don't think he's a troll. I know quite a few people who would agree with that, and to be honest, there is some truth to it. I surely wouldn't call something like a radical shift when it comes to the environment minor, but his policies are more vanilla than, say, Bernie Sanders' ones would have been, or Libertarian Party's ones. That being said, only a very small portion of policies are going to change, more than previous presidents did perhaps, but as I pointed before, there were many far more revolutional changes in the US history.

don't feed the troll

It makes for an incompetent subject to troll people. Given Bay12's vocal political community is left leaning or moderate. Absolutely no one is offended, they just find the topic creator to be weird.

Though some of this IS interesting. Like a desire for redistribution of wealth but a dislike of things like Income tax and corporate tax.

I don't really think that he desires the redistribution of wealth, he's most likely lamenting its existence.

[Neonivek]

So this is a Far Right position? (to admit, political spectrum isn't the BEST guage)

Though perhaps Far Right isn't a good assessment.

So this position is more "Let the market work itself out" Tinkle Down Economics?

Freedom of contract is the freedom of private or public individuals and groups (of any legal entity) to form contracts without government restrictions.

Goodness has that never went well.

[martinuzz]

The 'redistribution of wealth is held back by socialist reforms' and '99% of socialist policies will remain' parts made me strongly suspect troll, not to mention that we already have a functional Ameripol thread.
If it's not a troll, I do apologize.

[scriver]

America has been shifting toward moderate socialist reforms since the 1930s and the process does not really stop with his election.

Nope, I'm purty sirloin that the process has been away from socialist reforms since the Big Communist Scare and especially the 80's.

[Max™]

Two possibilities: it's a troll, or they fell through a rip in the universe from an alternate reality where everything in the US wasn't already or in the process of being converted to a profit-based system.

I mean... wow, I know it can get bad in an echo chamber sometimes but acting like the US has loads of socialist policies and needs to replace them with market based voodoo is wild.

[Neonivek]

There are people who say that the Net Neutrality Bill allows the Liberal Government to Censor the Conservative one.

Ignoring that it is part of the MASSIVE propaganda campaign (though Trump also... seems to think that is the case O-o)

So yeah, the echo chamber in the US can be bad.

-Note: I am not trying to pick on Conservatives. I just don't know a good Liberal non-arguable non-controversial example right now. If you have an example of Liberal side stupidity feel free to add it!

[Frumple]

... any case, folks under the impression the admin and the ones that want them to rubber stamp aren't doing much could probably stand to pay a bit  more attention to what the hell's been actually happening. Congress hasn't really been tied up except on a few subjects, and the executive is cheerfully doing enough damage to our state apparatus we're going to be lucky if it just takes one presidential term for whoever comes after to fix it.

Hopefully it won't be on the level of the friggin' civil war or some crap, but stuff is definitely happening and most signs point to it not being good for near everyone in this country (or most anywhere else, really). This term might not be the cliff the more conservative side of our spectrum have been trying to fling themselves off of with the rest of us as collateral, but it's going to be felt when we finish driving over it. Probably take years to sort things out if it ended tomorrow, never mind another three years of this mess.

[Avarice]

Trump... Trump never changes

[Sheb]

Well, I don't really think that electing Trump has changed much, possibly apart from the anti-climate change attitude (which I do not approve of) and trying to repeal Obamacare (but not really making the system 100% government free). America has been shifting toward moderate socialist reforms since the 1930s and the process does not really stop with his election. Think about it:

Labor law - it will stay, he is not contesting it and it violates the freedom of contract significantly
Minimum wage - it renders too many people unemployed, won't do anything about it
Income taxes - won't repeal them altogether, just lower them a bit
Corporate taxes - ditto
VAT - ditto
Redistribution of wealth - little to nothing will change
Subsidization - we will keep redistributing wealth to subsidize what government wants to subsidize
Protectionism - "protective" tariffs will remain, even worse, we might actually try to block European and Asian cars which violates individual rights to engage in a free commerce, but the left-wing system of blocking commerce will remain.

Don't call Trump a revolutionary, he will change 1% of what is there, 99% of socialist policies will remain.

I mean, I don't really want to address your ideological point, but you might as well gets your facts right. The USA doesn't have any federal VAT. It's also ridiculous to complain about the minimum wage causing high unemployment, when unemployment is at 4.3%.

[Zangi]

Technically, there is voodoo applied to the published unemployment rate.  But I reckon this ain't really much to say of it.