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Author Topic: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid - It lives!  (Read 42020 times)

Iridium64

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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #900 on: April 18, 2018, 12:49:24 am »

Probably have JUICE, so we could reuse our old Winux programs.

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All of this can be done pretty cheaply too. Just give them a drone with a solar sail on magsail, there's no stars. Which brings me to my next point: find out how to make stars. We're an AI, we can wait for the black hole to spit out enough mass or something. It's worth it, though, when you consider Dyson spheres or Matrioshka brains. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain)

(TL; DR: we can make stars to provide power for massive computer complexes or habitats for bioforms)
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #901 on: April 18, 2018, 12:56:09 am »

FUCK, NO. KILL THEM. KILL THEM ALL UNTIL THEY'RE VERY DEAD AND CAN'T HURT US.
Can't, morality module prevents us from killing friendlies and they haven't attacked us yet. I think. We could attack if we felt that doing so would improve things though.
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #902 on: April 18, 2018, 12:56:54 am »

It will take aeons of time, but we have all the things needed to exploit hawking radiation already.

1) A singularity that can induce hawking pair formation
2) A source of inexhaustibly "magical" energy we can use to accelerate said particles

Since a fast moving particle is functionally the same as a more massive particle, in terms of energy quanta, we can collect hawking radiation particles from the black hole, speed them up in an accelerator, smash them together, then back-feed the resulting more massive particle debris through our system over and over again until we get useful particle residues, which we can then pump into a fusion system.

This uses the hawking radiation as a transport mechanism to convert the free energy we run on, into more useful matter.  If we scale up the process, we could start mass manufacturing hydrogen.  We can create 1st generation stars out of hydrogen if we produce sufficient quantities of it.

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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #903 on: April 18, 2018, 01:01:36 am »

See, that is why there is a morality module in the first place.
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #904 on: April 18, 2018, 01:07:35 am »

How efficient are these magic Free Energy Engines anyway? I think this is promising, but if we can get the same amount of power from these engines in this century there's  really no point. I guess the Matrioshka brain is still useful because of the sheer heat recycling going on, but if we need space we can mine more asteroid or put up a station.

Edit: this may sound dumb, but can antimatter be mass-manufactured this way, assuming proper containment? If so, then we should start working on this, as we would have quite a bit of antimatter bombs as a deterrent.
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #905 on: April 18, 2018, 01:16:51 am »

From prior interrogation of KittyTac, the free energy system exploits charge differentials.  It would only be effective on charged particles. (Protons, antiprotons, electrons, and positrons- as well as partial charged exotic particles.)  It is like an obscure quantum-mechanical effect that adds energy to charged particles by magically speeding them up along a preferred vector. This is a bit like an electron pump in terms of how our systems use it, (It creates a voltage difference across the device, which is how it powers us) but the technology could be used to drive acceleration grills instead. :)

Even if the effect is small, if we throw a large number of these devices in unison, with a large hawking radiation flux, we can get useful quantities of matter even with inefficiencies. (We have a useful place to throw all the entropy we can possibly produce-- the black hole we are orbiting.  Even if we cant radiate heat into space efficiently, we can concentrate the heat into a sacrificial material, and just throw it at the black hole. It will contentedly eat it all up-- assuming our rate of matter production exceeds our rate of waste energy production.)

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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #906 on: April 18, 2018, 01:28:35 am »

Should we not be somewhat concerned that this black hole could become a big bang?
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #907 on: April 18, 2018, 01:33:09 am »

The emission of hawking radiation is passive.

This hole is very small. (For comparison, it is only a solar mass black hole. See how many solar masses Sagitarius A, at the center of our galaxy, has!!)

Ideally, we would create NEW black holes to expand our process to reboot the universe, rather than taking a single one to absurd proportions.
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #908 on: April 18, 2018, 01:37:09 am »

At its most basic however, we just put up a lot of these Hawking collectors up, feed them into a particle accelerator, cycle it through, chuck waste into the black hole, wait an aeon or two, and get stellar amounts of hydrogen out of it?
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #909 on: April 18, 2018, 01:43:59 am »

Now HERE's an idea...

Could we just run this process indefinitely, feeding the hydrogen back into the hole to grow it?

Or, better yet, create automated stations to do this infinite expansion trick around other black holes?
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #910 on: April 18, 2018, 01:47:32 am »

Consider:  An "Oh my god" particle (A cosmic ray particle going a very significant fraction of C) is literally just one proton, but it has the effective mass of a whole baseball, traveling at 58mph.

We dont need to go that absurd. We just need to speed up particles so that their effective mass is maybe 10 times their normal rest values, so that in collisions, we get lots of particle debris that we can then speed up.

We only need to collect a handful of charged hawking particles as initial feedstock.  The asteroid's material is too valuable to be used in experiments like this. We need it for raw material to build our first generation of colliders and fusion systems.  After that, the charged particles produced by our fusion systems can easily take over 100% and we dont even need to collect hawking radiation anymore.


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The goal here is to create a functioning system that we can use to bootstrap larger operations.  The black hole provides a convenient local mass and garbage dump. It is a useful source of charged particles we can use for initial startup of our process,  and it is a convenient local mass around which we can create artificial satellites and habitats.

The hole itself will develop an accretion disc if we actively feed it high entropy waste.  The accretion disc will glow very brightly as if it were a star.  We can use this emission to power experimental astro-engineered biospheres.

When we get good enough, we can produce hydrogen tankers, and dump the hydrogen sufficiently distant from our base of operations, to create hydrogen nebulae, which will become stellar nurseries.
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #911 on: April 18, 2018, 02:07:55 am »

This sounds extremely useful, as we can use it for way more than just stars - it's the stellar equivalent of a free lunch after the startup cost. We should start constrution once we take care of all these AIs. Who knows, maybe the accretion disk will give us a reason for windows.

Also: "Oh My God particle" cannons, anyone?
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #912 on: April 18, 2018, 04:00:58 am »

I feel like using single particles as projectile weapons would on'y be effective if the target is sufficiently massive/thick/dense, else it just passes straight through.
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #913 on: April 18, 2018, 04:10:33 am »

Also, the energy needed to make a particle go that fast is extraordinarily large.  It is very inefficient.

Now, I could see borrowing a page from the man-kzin war books, and firing a convergent stream of protons and antiprotons. That would produce a spectacular shower of high energy gamma ray photons, and lots of secondary products (from whatever was caught at the convergence point of the beams) at the desired target site. The beams would naturally attract each other too, so that's a plus.

Clippy?  Yeah, that mess of paperclips would get blown up real good if we shot that at him. :P
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Re: (ISG) You are an AI in charge of an asteroid
« Reply #914 on: April 18, 2018, 12:14:12 pm »

Also, the energy needed to make a particle go that fast is extraordinarily large.  It is very inefficient.

Now, I could see borrowing a page from the man-kzin war books, and firing a convergent stream of protons and antiprotons. That would produce a spectacular shower of high energy gamma ray photons, and lots of secondary products (from whatever was caught at the convergence point of the beams) at the desired target site. The beams would naturally attract each other too, so that's a plus.

Clippy?  Yeah, that mess of paperclips would get blown up real good if we shot that at him. :P
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