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[Clément]

New version released: 41.2.4

Not much happening. Just one bug fix. Also updated Qt to 5.15.2 for Windows and Linux AppImage, it may fix other qt related issues.

Changelog:

• fixed fake identities for new migrants

[Jundavr]

Apologies if this isn't the appropriate place to ask for modding help.

What determines wether you can change an unit's labors or not (in Dwarf Therapist)? If I use a script to make a wild animal person to join the fort, I can't change their labors using DT, but I can through v-p-l in the game interface.

If instead I cage the animal person and add [PET_EXOTIC] tag, train them, and wait for them to petition then finally remove the [PET_EXOTIC], then DT works fine with them.

So it seems that my script isn't actually setting the correct links in all the appropriate fields. I've been looking at DT's source in github but am having no luck finding where these checks happen. I'd REALLY like to update the script according to what Dwarf Therapist uses to determine wether the unit is a citizen of your civ/fort.

[Clément]

Does the tool-tip over the labor cell tell you the reason?

m_can_set_labors is set in this function.

m_is_animal is set here (TRAINABLE is fake caste flag implied by PET_EXOTIC and others). On this line I'm not sure if CAN_LEARN is the right flag, maybe it should be CAN_SPEAK. Would that make a difference in your case?

Citizenship is set for non-animal if they are part of the fortress entity historical figure list ("historical_entity.histfig_ids" in dfhack).

[Jundavr]

Citizenship is set for non-animal if they are part of the fortress entity historical figure list ("historical_entity.histfig_ids" in dfhack).

This is what I was missing, thanks a lot!

On this line I'm not sure if CAN_LEARN is the right flag, maybe it should be CAN_SPEAK. Would that make a difference in your case?

It certainly wouldn't, I'm using it on [INTELLIGENT] creatures, who have both.

[Paaaad]

Am able to confirm DT is unable to communicate with the Steam version of DF. DT at least knows DF is open, but that seems to be all at first glance.

[lethosor]

That's effectively the case for all new versions of DF - Dwarf Therapist requires a memory layout file in order to talk to DF, and that hasn't been made yet. It will probably take longer than usual this time due to the number of changes in DF.

[Clément]

I did not even buy the game yet. But Quietust has already updated df-structures. Here is a memory layout for 0.50.01. I have no idea if it works at all. Expect crashes and data corruption.

Code: [Select]

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checksum=0x638d2f18
version_name=v0.50.01 SDL win64
complete=true

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year=0x0020
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reaction=0x0020
reaction_skill=0x0080

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members=0x00a0
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alert=0x00e8
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shoes_vector=0x00e0
shield_vector=0x00f8
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events=0x0008
participants=0x0048
sq_lead=0x00b4
sq_skill=0x00bc
sq_train_rounds=0x00c8
pray_deity=0x00b0
pray_sphere=0x00b4
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knowledge_flag=0x00c4
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name=0x0008

[viewscreen_offsets]
view=0x0008
child=0x0008
setupdwarfgame_units=0x0e90

[valid_flags_2]
size=0

[invalid_flags_1]
size=9
1\name="a skeleton"
1\value=0x00002000
2\name="a merchant"
2\value=0x00000040
3\name="outpost liaison, diplomat, or artifact requesting visitor"
3\value=0x00000800
4\name="an invader or hostile"
4\value=0x00020000
5\name="an invader or hostile"
5\value=0x00080000
6\name="resident, invader or ambusher"
6\value=0x00600000
7\name="part of a merchant caravan"
7\value=0x00000080
8\name="inactive, currently not in play"
8\value=0x00000002
9\name="marauder"
9\value=0x00000010

[invalid_flags_2]
size=5
1\name="killed, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name="from the Underworld. SPOOKY!"
2\value=0x00040000
3\name="resident"
3\value=0x00080000
4\name="uninvited visitor"
4\value=0x00400000
5\name="visitor"
5\value=0x00800000

[invalid_flags_3]
size=1
1\name="a ghost"
1\value=0x00001000


[clinodev]

Mmm, no luck on 50.01-testing or 50.02, unfortunately, even jiggling around with version numbers and checksums.

[zenos14]

Is the idea behind Dwarf Therapist even compatible with the new labor system? Or is it too early to know yet?
That's something I'm kinda worried about, that the changes to way labors work might mean Dwarf Therapist might not be able to do what it's supposed to do anymore

[Clément]

You tell me. As I said above, I did not get the new version yet. So I don't know.

From what I read in a few previews and discussions, there is a new system grouping labors together similar to DT's current super labors/custom professions. Although there may be some technical difficulties interacting with it, I don't think it makes it impossible for Dwarf Therapist to work with this new system.

[chris_v]

I have the new version and have a couple of observations:
1. The new skills system is just a thin layer over the old one. So the old skills system still exists underneath. In many situations and menus you see the old system. The most obvious place is the "prepare carefully" menu which is shows the old skills system organized in a couple of tabs. Also, in the skills tab on a dwarf's menu you see the dwarf's skills organized according to the old system.

2. The new system is awful and makes the game unplayable for any advanced player. It is one of those situations where they tried to make things simpler and made them much more complicated instead.

So whoever is doing dwarf therapist, please get it done it is more needed than ever. That new $30 game that hundreds of thousands of people are buying right now is downright unplayable at advanced level without it. If I do not get dwarf therapist soon, I will be looking to get my money back.

I know tarn said that he did not want to have players look at spreadsheets, but guess what you made that type of a game. Skills are extremely important in DF, a skilled farmer here a skilled stonecrafter there, can increase your food or wealth by a factor of three or four. And a skilled armorer can easily win battles. But now you cannot make your dwarves do the jobs that they are skilled in, you cannot get them to improve their skills?

So yeah .... please someone get Dwarf Therapist going so that I can enjoy this game I have been looking forward to for such a long time.

[lethosor]

Dwarf Therapist is a volunteer-driven project. People will work on it when they have time. Because of the larger-than-usual changes to DF, support for v50 will take longer than usual (the same goes for DFHack and other utilities).

You may also be interested in this perspective on the new labor system: https://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/zg0spw/please_try_to_use_the_new_labor_system_the_way/

[Deon]

Thanks for the post lethosor. Indeed, it looks like there's no more need of "autoassign" script, and the new labor system works well, I ran a couple of fortresses with it and enjoyed it.

I would still like to have Therapist at some point when/if someone decides to update it, but it's not as critical anymore (read it: the game is now playable without it for me).

[Clément]

1. The new skills system is just a thin layer over the old one. So the old skills system still exists underneath.

Skills and labors are different things. I don't expect skills to have changed much. But labors may have, or at least the way they are managed by the game or by the players.

So whoever is doing dwarf therapist, please get it done it is more needed than ever. That new $30 game that hundreds of thousands of people are buying right now is downright unplayable at advanced level without it. If I do not get dwarf therapist soon, I will be looking to get my money back.

That would be me, except if someone else comes out of nowhere and beats me to it (it's free software anyone can work on it). And I don't think you will get a working Dwarf Therapist any time soon, at least definitely not in the kind of delay that would allow a refund.

[chris_v]

Well, thanks for letting me know. And I do appreciate you doing dwarf therapist by the way. I have been using it all the time with dwarf fortress and it has been invaluable. Well I guess beggars cannot be choosers ... I do hope you or someone else that knows this stuff gets this done soon. But of course I understand you are doing this purely on volunteer basis and I do not have any right to rush you. So please do not take any of these posts as me rushing you, merely as me pointing out how valuable and important your utility is.

I will try to decide whether to ask for a refund or not. If I do let them have my money it will be more for an appreciation of the last 10 years of Dwarf Fortress than for the steam version which I do not find very much fun currently. But I will probably just put it on the side and wait for someone to get dwarf therapist working.

And while I cannot make up your mind, please do not be swept up by the idea that the skills/labors system has somehow been changed and dwarf therapist is no longer needed. I beg to differ.