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[Teirdalin]

So I'm starting a Dragon Age mod since the only other one I really seen around was from 2011; and I haven't made a mod personally for years now for DF and kinda miss it.  I wanted to make something for 0.44.02 since I've been having quite a lot of fun messing around getting older mods to run on it. (Yay for raids).   Graphics are going to be so annoying to get setup- but it will absolutely need it.

Ideas so far:

____----Humans----____

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The most common species in the world, enjoys their freedoms and ambitions.

--Ferelden--
Pretty standard fantasy human culture all things considered.

Currency:
Sovereigns/Silvers/Bits
The gold/silver/bronze coins of Ferelden.

>Nobles
  Unique Nobles:
  *King/Queen
  Common Nobles:
  *Knight Commander
  *Grand Enchanter
  *Templar
  *Mage

>Castes:
  Templar - Made via having a fereldian craft a lyrium philter.
  *Effective vs magic, can become templar nobles.
  Mages - When a mommy or daddy mage loves someone very much..
  *Casts magic attacks, uses magic buildings, kinda needs to become mage nobles. - This is going to be some tricky nonsense to get working I bet.
  Tranquil - Rite of Tranquility
  *No fear, no stress, a perfect worker but at what cost?

>Buildings:
  Mabari Kennels
  *Train, buy, and improve your smart cute wardogs.
  Magic Circle
  *Mage castes can preform spell rituals here. (Fail for non mages, needs managers i suppose.)
  Alchemy Desk
  *Brew Potions, process lithium dust, craft lyrium philters.
 
 --Orlais--

Funny Clothes, and a high society culture; the largest and the most powerful nation in Thedas.

Currency:
Royals/Crowns/Pennies
The gold/silver/bronze coins of Orlais, respectively.

>Nobles
  Unique Nobles
  *Emperor/Empress
  *Divine
  Common Nobles
  *House of Repose Assassin
  *Noble
  *Knight Commander
  *Grand Enchanter
  *Templar
  *Mage

>Castes
  Repose Assassins - Trained at the house of repose
  *Uses poison, moves fast and kills quick and silent.
  Templar - Made via having an orlasian craft a lyrium philter.
  *Effective vs magic, can become templar nobles.
  Mages - When a mommy or daddy mage loves someone very much..
  *Casts magic attacks, uses magic buildings, kinda needs to become mage nobles. - This is going to be some tricky nonsense to get working I bet.
  Tranquil - Rite of Tranquility
  *No fear, no stress, a perfect worker but at what cost?

>Buildings
  House of Repose
  *All your assassin needs, including putting hits on certain targets. (Not yet sure how I'm going to work this in.)
  Magic Circle
  *Mage castes can preform spell rituals here. (Fail for non mages, needs managers i suppose.)
  Alchemy Desk
  *Brew Potions, process lithium dust, craft lyrium philters.
 

--Grey Wardens--
Those who take in the taint to become immune to darkspawn corruption.

>Nobles
  Unique Nobles
  *First Warden
  *Commander of The Grey
  Common Nobles
  *Warden
 
>Castes
  Warden/Warden Mage - Made by doing the rite of joining.. And surviving.
  *Immune to darkspawn taint
  *Sense darkspawn - if this can be worked in somehow.
  *Leaves to die in 30 years give or take-  or goes mad.

>Buildings
  Joining Ritual Area - Preform the ritual, and craft required materials.
  *Immune to Darkspawn Taint
  Deep Road Entrance
  *Send old wardens off.
  *Look for treasure - Risky.
  *Hunt Darkspawn - Risky.
  *Warning: Dangerous to leave a path open to the deep roads unguarded for obvious reasons.

--Nevarra-
WIP

--Tevinter Imperium
A slaver nation governed by powerful mages known as the magisters, and ruled by the Imperial Archon. A place where arcane power is the driving influence.

Currency:
Imperial Tesserae

>Nobles
  Unique Nobles
  *The Archon
  Common Nobles
  *Magister
  *Mages

>Castes
  Mages - Same as how mages work for every other race.
  Slaves - Enslaved races from across Thedas.
  Servants - A step up from slavery.

>Buildings
  Magic Circle
  *Preform magic here, including basic blood magic.
  Slaver Camp
  *Buy and sell slave units.
  Ritual Chamber
  *Advanced blood magic rituals- can only be done via a magister - Dangerous
  *Bind Demons/Spirits
  *Empower units
  *Strike down invaders
  *Preform other powerful magics.



--Antiva--
A plutocratic nation, ruled by by the wealthy elite.  Although it lacks in a proper military force, it makes up for it with it's famous assassins guild The House of Crows- the most efficient, most feared, and most expensive guild of assassins in Thedas.

Currency:
Andris
The currency of Antiva. The coins feature images of famous guild leaders as opposed to rulers. An amount of five thousand andris has come to be known as "one bastard," which is occasionally used as veiled insult in negotiations. One andris is equivalent to one royal.

Castes

>Nobles
  Unique Nobles
  *King
  *Merchant Princes
  Common Noble
  *Merchant
  *Antiven Crow

>Castes
  Antiven Crow - Made by training an Antiven in the House of Crow

>Buildings
  House of Crow
  *All your assassin needs, may be tricky to get working.  More advanced than orlasian assassins guild.
  Merchant Stall
  *Merchants for all your trading needs,  Make Currency Great Again.
  Bank
  *WIP


--Free Marches--
A group of city states.
The "Marchers" are independent-minded descendants of tough barbarians.

Currency-
Same as Ferelden If I recall.

WIP

--Rivain--

WIP

____----Qunari----____

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A white haired, metallic skinned race of horned giants.  Deep worshippers of the Qun, and will accept any races to join the Qun as Viddathari- be it by their own choice or not.

Duty is paramount in Qunari culture, and their society is seen as a living entity, whose well-being is the responsibility of all. Each person is like a drop of blood in the veins of the being, and they must not do what is best for them, but what is best for all.


>Nobles
  Unique Nobles
  *The Arishok
  *The Arigena
  *The Ariqun
  Common Nobles
  *Priest
  *Tamassran

>Castes
  Viddathari - Converted humans, elves, and otherwise to the Qun.
  "Mages"  - Unfortunate Qunari born with power they cannot control.

>Buildings
  Re-Education Camp
  *Tamassran can convert captured sentient races to the Qun as well as re-educate problematic Qunari.

WIP

____----Elves----____

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A humanoid races with pointed ears, typically shorter than humans with a lithe build.  They have an innate connection with the fade and magic which has been mostly disconnected by now and a long life span.  Generally trated as second class citizens in many human societies, often preferring to stay in wandering clans known as the Dalish, remembering their heritage and culture.


City Elves-
WIP


Dalish Elves-

>Nobles
  *Keeper

WIP


Ancient Elves-
WIP

___---Dwarves---___

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Strong, stocky and shower than the other humanoid races.   They are skilled builders and have a tradition of courage and martial skill which has helped them survive in their never-ending battle against the darkspawn.   They are the only race capable of safely manipulating and mining lyrium, and are unable to use magic; perhaps from their proximity to lyrium.    Dwarves build great thaigs underground, and are the ones who constructed the deep roads.  Dwarves generally never build topside structures.

The currency used by other nations was all invented by the dwarven merchants guild as they refused to trade in other currency; primarily uses Sovereigns/Silvers/Bits.


>Nobles
  Unique Nobles
  *King
  Nobles
  *Paragon

>Castes
-Upper Castes-
  Noble Caste - Decedents from royalty
  *Probably should use these primarily as nobles.
-Middle Castes-
  Warrior Caste - Skilled Warriors
  Smith Caste - Skilled Smiths.
  Artisan Caste - Skilled Crafters
  Miner Caste - Skilled Miners
  Merchant Caste - Skilled Merchants
-Lower Castes*
  Servant Caste - Majority of the population, general workers who help in all matters.
  Casteless - Non-people, and are forbidden from doing work that a dwarf of recognized caste would preform.
  *Primarily for hauling, cleaning, hunting, farming and fishing. - Not sure how I'll work this in, if even possible.
  Surface Dwarves - Those who left their mountain homes for the surface world, worse than casteless.

Dwarves are going to be a pain with all their caste nonsense.

>Buildings
  Lyrium Workbench
  *Process Lyrium Dust.
  *Make Lyrium artifacts - example. Anvil of The Void
  Merchant Guild
  *Sell Lyrium to the surfacers, but and trade other things as well.  WIP Ideas.
  *WIP

___---Darkspawn---___

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A race of humanoid tainted creatures,  consisting of all of the surface races.  Their blood is poisonous and will turn others into ghouls and blighted creatures.  Darkspawn are birthed by broodmothers- captured women of any sentient race, tainted beyond recognition.  Darkspawn heed the call of the old gods buried deep below, and when they find one they corrupt it into an archdemon which leads them against the surface races.

Currency:
"There is no talk. No negotiation. You will die. Your world will die." - Hurlock Alpha

>Nobles
  Unique Nobles
  *Archdemon - The leader of all the darkspawn, and the one keeping them in-line telepathically.  A powerful dragon.
  *Clown
  Common Nobles
  *Alpha
  *Emissary
  *Clown


>Castes
  *Archdemon
  An old god twisted by darkspawn corruption.
  *Hurlock
  Corrupted Humans
  *Genlock
  Corrupted Dwarves
  *Ogre
  Corrupted Quanari
  *Shriek
  Corrupted Elves
  *Ghouls
  Tainted Surfacers
  *Clown
  *Clown - Not sure yet how I'm going to get this clown to work, but it'll be glorious if I can.
  *Clown

>Buildings
  Broodmother Chamber
  *Create a broodmother of a captured female.
  *Create more darkspawn.
  *Profit
  Corruption Chamber
  *Corrupt animals, fun stuff.  - Not sure yet how I'll get this to work.

WIP,  might separate darkspawn into two separate groups like I did with humans as the clown aspect might be pretty major if I can get it working, they'd need their own circus.

__________---Creatures---____________

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-Spirits-
Wisdom
Faith
Command
Justice
Valor

-Demons-
Pride
Desire
Sloth
Hunger
Envy
Rage
Shades
Fear
Despair

-Misc-

Mabari -
  *"Of all the dog breeds that the Fereldans have produced, none are so highly regarded or so widely famed as the Mabari. Justly renowned, the Mabari are intelligent war hounds fully capable of understanding speech and interpreting complex commands. The bulk of Mabari will bond with a single warrior, whom they will fight beside and follow until death takes them, for there are many stories of Mabari avenging a fallen master before lying down beside his corpse to join him."

High Dragons -
  *You though dragons were bad?

Golems -
  *Creatures of stone or metal imbued with a spirit or soul and lyrium in a mysterious fashion.

Nugs-
  *Large harmless rat like creatures which eat almost anything on the floors.  Often kept as pets; and raised for slaughter.  Kind of creepy, is that they have hands.

Sylvan-
  *Trees possessed and given life/animation by a spirit where the vale is thin.  Generally only done by rage demons;  prefer to lie in wait pretending to be trees till they prey approaches.

Titan-
  *

Deepstalker-
  *Lizard like creatures which walk on two legs with the maw of a worm.  Vicious predators from undergrounds- and can curl up to mimic stones, or dig underground then jump up to ambush prey.  Capable of spitting acid or paralytic poison from venom glands; a pack-hunter.   Can be tamed.


Lots of WIPs to this list.

-Update Log-

*12:29am- Dec 11, 2017

Guessing the first thing I should work on doing is making the basic darkspawn, broodmothers, and mabari, then move onto setting up the several human groups; then make elves less garbage before moving onto dwarves as they'll probably be the more complex of the bunch of basics.   I'm thinking I should use DA1 Genlock as they look absolutely stupid in DA2 and DA:I- although definitely more of a threat in those games.   Perhaps a whole different sub caste called Genlock Brutes.

*4:22am- Dec 12, 2017

Hurlocks castes of Darkspawn are working and filling up the underground; and are pretty brutal currently, might need to tweak them a bit more later, then again you really don't want to be facing the darkspawn unprepared.

*6:26am- Dec 12, 2017

Darkspawn blood is coming along, still working on tweaking it and making the ghoul versions of the races.

[Teirdalin]

Anyone got an idea on how I could make a blood which when gets ingested or contacts another creatures bloodstream converts them over the course of say, a day into an appropriate caste of darkspawn to their race?

For example, a human getting infected with darkspawn taint becoming a human ghoul caste of the darkspawn?
Or perhaps if I could somehow keep the human as it is-  appearance and all, but instead have them become friendly to darkspawn and nothing else while also able to spread the darkspawn taint around via their blood and saliva? Can ghouls even spread the taint via bites- I would highly assume so, but I'd expect a lot more ghoul outbreaks if that was the case.

[MachinaMandala]

Templar, to me, is probably a Secret-interaction (like Necromancer) whereas Mage is probably a caste like you say.

On the blood thing, it's a matter of changing their blood into a syndrome-carrier that does a transformation.

There's several steps to this bit:
1. Learn how to change tissues.
2. Learn how to create syndromes
3. Work out transformation syndromes.

So, if we look at the Giant cave spider raw, we see:

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:POISON:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen giant cave spider venom]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen giant cave spider venom]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:giant cave spider venom]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:giant cave spider venom]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling giant cave spider venom]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling giant cave spider venom]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[ENTERS_BLOOD]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:giant cave spider bite]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SPIDER_CAVE_GIANT:ALL]
[SYN_INJECTED]
[CE_PARALYSIS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES:START:5:PEAK:10:END:20]
If we change this a bit:

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen tainted blood]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:tainted blood]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling tainted blood]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[ENTERS_BLOOD]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
Now we've got our starting set up for "tainted blood".

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen tainted blood]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:tainted blood]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling tainted blood]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[ENTERS_BLOOD]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL]
This should (if I've done it right) transform anything that comes into contact with the blood into a ghoul. BUT, in Dragon Age Taint affects different races different so...

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen tainted blood]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:tainted blood]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling tainted blood]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[ENTERS_BLOOD]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:ALL]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_HUMAN]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ELF:ALL]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_ELF]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:ALL]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF]

We have to make ghouls affected by this syndrome, too, otherwise they'll rapidly switch in and out of ghoul state (which is crappy).

But now we come across another problem! What about the rare chance that a female becomes a broodmother? Well, we need more transformations but we also need to make them immune to the ghoul transformation, so what we do is add in syn classes and make the broodmothers immune to them (we also have to make the ghouls able to transform into broodmothers):

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen tainted blood]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:tainted blood]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling tainted blood]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling tainted blood]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[ENTERS_BLOOD]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:ALL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_HUMAN]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[SYN_CLASS:GHOUL]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:BROODMOTHER_HURLOCK]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_HUMAN]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ELF:ALL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_ELF]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[SYN_CLASS:GHOUL]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:BROODMOTHER_SHRIEKER]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_ELF]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:ALL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[SYN_CLASS:GHOUL]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:BROODMOTHER_GENLOCK]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:FEMALE]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[SYN_CLASS:BROODMOTHER]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:BROODMOTHER_HURLOCK]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ELF:FEMALE]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[SYN_CLASS:BROODMOTHER]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:BROODMOTHER_SHRIEK]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:tainted blood]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:FEMALE]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[SYN_CLASS:BROODMOTHER]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:BROODMOTHER_GENLOCK]

As you can see, with this we end up with a series of syndromes that allow for a transformation. You should probably also gender differentiate them for the sake of it, but otherwise this will work.

Another option is to make the affected creatures similar to the Animated dead in default DF, but I think that's less worthwhile.

Come join the Bay12Games Discord ( https://discord.gg/dfeSEVX ) if you're interested in learning more about modding. We've got ZM5 in there and he's forgotten more about modding in this game than I've managed to learn.

[Teirdalin]

When you say:
         [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF]

for CREATURE:TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF

I'm guessing TAINTED:GHOUL_DWARF would be the creature ID then the caste?
If so, all of what you posted is exactly what I needed,  thanks a lot MachinaMandala.

Not entirely sure exactly how I want the broodmothers being made yet,  I think it should be done via a building instead as it is a pretty big process; they need to be fed tainted meat and whatnot for a while- I can't remember exactly but I think that one dwarf in DA1 said it took a week or was it a month?   So perhaps a 'tamed' ghoul female can be converted via a reaction.

Plus,  Broodmothers aren't mobile so we don't really want them being converted just anywhere.  lol
Maybe I could just make broodmothers themselves 3x3 buildings.
Broodmother Den>
"Create Human Broodmother"
"Create Dwarf Broodmother"
"Create Elf Broodmother"

But then that brings the problem of actually bringing the ghouls over to the building as a means of paying the cost; perhaps I could have ghouls be converted into an item form somehow.  Maybe a building that can be used to turn a ghoul item into a ghoul and vice versa destroying the ghoul but leaving an item just as a workaround to this.

Do you suppose this would essentially work?

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
         [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling darkspawn blood]
         [PREFIX:NONE]
         [ENTERS_BLOOD]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN:MALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ELF:MALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_ELF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_ELF:MALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:MALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF:MALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:FEMALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULFEMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN:FEMALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ELF:FEMALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULFEMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_ELF:FEMALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:FEMALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULFEMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF:FEMALE]
      

If I toss a male and female caste to each ghoul racial caste?

Also will look into secret_interaction stuff. 

Would the way that's setup cause people who just get some blood splattered on them to convert?  Or only if it enters their blood?   Rather not have everyone in a battle just suddenly get ghoulified or someone who walks over some barefoot. lol

[MachinaMandala]

Yep! You've hit almost everything on the head.

Only problem I can see is that male / female are castes, so it'd be something like:

[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE] (since most creatures in DF aren't complicated enough to have long castes, this is the MALE caste of the HUMAN creature)
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN_MALE]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN_MALE] (note the changing of the last colon into a _)

[Teirdalin]

Yep! You've hit almost everything on the head.

Only problem I can see is that male / female are castes, so it'd be something like:

[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE] (since most creatures in DF aren't complicated enough to have long castes, this is the MALE caste of the HUMAN creature)
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN_MALE]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN_MALE] (note the changing of the last colon into a _)

Figured too much casteception wouldn't work. lol

Edited in a couple things to the end of the post above.   But anyways, any ideas how to make grey warden castes be immune?  Or perhaps Grey wardens could be a syndrome in itself as to not make people have to be transformed when becoming one- unless castes of same race are easy enough to transfer into without losing the individuals meta-data, hmm.

Want to be able to have the awesome warriors who survive the joining to still be awesome warriors- and to not have their features and everything reset. lol

I really shouldn't worry about wardens right now though till I get them started.

[MachinaMandala]

For Gray Wardens, it'd be something similar to how necromancers currently are:

Code: [Select]

[SYNDROME]
[CE_DISPLAY_NAME:NAME:gray warden:gray warden:gray warden:START:0]
[SYN_CLASS:GRAY_WARDEN]

Then you'd have to add [IMMUNE_SYN_CLASS:GRAY_WARDEN] to all the taint syndrome classes.

[Teirdalin]

For Gray Wardens, it'd be something similar to how necromancers currently are:

Code: [Select]

[SYNDROME]
[CE_DISPLAY_NAME:NAME:gray warden:gray warden:gray warden:START:0]
[SYN_CLASS:GRAY_WARDEN]

Then you'd have to add [IMMUNE_SYN_CLASS:GRAY_WARDEN] to all the taint syndrome classes.

Ah thanks!  I was looking for the term "UNAFFECTED",  didn't expect them to go with immune. lol

By the way, any ideas on how to make the hurlocks a bit more aggressive to other sentient races- without them going after every animal they see?  I'm figuring also that LARGE_PEDATOR probably isn't the best token to use for this type of thing. lol

Also, by syn classes do you mean like:

         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [IMMUNE_SYN_CLASS:GRAY_WARDEN]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN_MALE]

Darkspawn raw so far-

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_DAF_creature_standard_darkspawn

[OBJECT:CREATURE]

[CREATURE:DARKSPAWN]
   [DESCRIPTION:A twisted evil creature.]
   [NAME:darkspawn:darkspawn:darkspawn]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'D'][COLOR:3:0:0]
   [CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE:154]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:MAMMAL]
   [OUTSIDER_CONTROLLABLE]
   [BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:1:3]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [CARNIVORE]
   [UTTERANCES]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [NO_FEVERS]
   [NOFEAR]
   [NOPAIN]
   [CASTE:HURLOCK]
      [DESCRIPTION:A twisted evil medium-sized creature prone to great murder.  It has a skeletal smile, and sharp jagged teeth]
      [NAME:hurlock:hurlocks:hulock]
      [CASTE_NAME:hurlock:hurlocks:hurlock]
      [CASTE_TILE:'H'][COLOR:3:0:0]
      [CASTE_SOLDIER_TILE:154]
      [INTELLIGENT]
      [CANOPENDOORS]
      [NIGHT_CREATURE_BOGEYMAN]
      [POPULATION_NUMBER:10:20]
      [NO_GENDER]
      [BUILDINGDESTROYER:1]
      [PREFSTRING:terrifying smile]
      [BODY:HUMANOID_NECK:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:5FINGERS:5TOES:MOUTH:TONGUE:FACIAL_FEATURES:TEETH:RIBCAGE]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:EYEBROW:EYEBROW_TEMPLATE]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYEBROW:ABOVE:BY_CATEGORY:EYE]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:EYELASH:EYELASH_TEMPLATE]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:EYELID:EYELASH:FRONT]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL:FRONT]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:NAIL:FRONT]
      [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
       [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
         [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
      [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
      [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
      [HAS_NERVES]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
         [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling darkspawn blood]
         [STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling darkspawn blood]
         [PREFIX:NONE]
         [ENTERS_BLOOD]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [IMMUNE_SYN_CLASS:GRAY_WARDEN]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN_MALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [IMMUNE_SYN_CLASS:GRAY_WARDEN]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ELF:MALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_ELF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_ELF_MALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [IMMUNE_SYN_CLASS:GRAY_WARDEN]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:MALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF_MALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:FEMALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULFEMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_HUMAN_FEMALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ELF:FEMALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULFEMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_ELF_FEMALE]
         [SYNDROME]
            [SYN_NAME:darkspawn blood]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:FEMALE]
            [SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF]
            [SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT]
            [SYN_CLASS:GHOULFEMALE]
            [CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:100:START:10:CE:CREATURE:DARKSPAWN:GHOUL_DWARF_FEMALE]
      [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
      [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SWEAT:SWEAT_TEMPLATE]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:TEARS:TEARS_TEMPLATE]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SPIT:SPIT_TEMPLATE]
      [SECRETION:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SWEAT:LIQUID:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN:EXERTION]
      [SECRETION:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TEARS:LIQUID:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:ALL:EXTREME_EMOTION]
      [CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]
         [CDI:ADV_NAME:Spit]
         [CDI:USAGE_HINT:NEGATIVE_SOCIAL_RESPONSE]
         [CDI:USAGE_HINT:TORMENT]
         [CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
         [CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SPIT:LIQUID_GLOB]
         [CDI:VERB:spit:spits:NA]
         [CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
         [CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:15]
         [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
         [CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:30]
      [BODY_SIZE:0:0:4000]
      [BODY_SIZE:1:168:17500]
      [BODY_SIZE:12:0:70000]
      [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]
      [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CLOSE_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DEEP_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:ROUND_VS_NARROW:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LARGE_IRIS:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:LIP]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:THICKNESS:50:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:lips:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:150:190]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:NOSE]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:UPTURNED:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CONVEX:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:nose bridge:SINGULAR]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EAR]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SPLAYED_OUT:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HANGING_LOBES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:GAPS:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:100:100:100:100:100:100] for vampires
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:1000]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:SKULL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HIGH_CHEEKBONES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROAD_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:JUTTING_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SQUARE_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DEEP_VOICE:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:RASPY_VOICE:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
      [MAXAGE:60:120]
      [ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]
         [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
         [ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]
         [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
         [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:STANCE]
         [ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
         [ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
         [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
         [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
      [ATTACK:SCRATCH:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:GRASP:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL]
         [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
         [ATTACK_VERB:scratch:scratches]
         [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
         [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
         [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
      [ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
         [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
         [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
         [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
         [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
         [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
      [BABY:0]
      [CHILD:1]
      [EQUIPS]
      [DIURNAL]
      [SMELL_TRIGGER:90]
      [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
      [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph
      [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph, NO DATA
      [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:5341:4723:4112:1254:6433:7900] 7 kph
      [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph, NO DATA
      [SWIMS_LEARNED]
      [MANNERISM_FINGERS:finger:fingers]
      [MANNERISM_NOSE:nose]
      [MANNERISM_HEAD:head]
      [MANNERISM_EYES:eyes]
      [MANNERISM_MOUTH:mouth]
      [MANNERISM_KNUCKLES:knuckles]
      [MANNERISM_LIPS:lips]
      [MANNERISM_CHEEK:cheek]
      [MANNERISM_NAILS:nails]
      [MANNERISM_FEET:feet]
      [MANNERISM_ARMS:arms]
      [MANNERISM_HANDS:hands]
      [MANNERISM_TONGUE:tongue]
      [MANNERISM_LEG:leg]
      [MANNERISM_LAUGH]
      [MANNERISM_SMILE]
      [MANNERISM_WALK]
      [MANNERISM_SIT]
      [MANNERISM_BREATH]
      [MANNERISM_POSTURE]
      [MANNERISM_STRETCH]
      [MANNERISM_EYELIDS]
      [MUNDANE]
      [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
            [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PEARL:1]
               [TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:WRINKLY:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
               [APP_MOD_RATE:1:YEARLY:0:100:30:0:NO_END]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
               [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:0:0:0:1:25:50]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
            [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:IRIS_EYE_SILVER:1]
               [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
   [CASTE:GHOUL_HUMAN_MALE]
      [DESCRIPTION:A tainted medium-sized creature prone to great ambition.]
      [NAME:human ghoul:human ghouls:human ghoul]
      [CASTE_NAME:human ghoul:human ghouls:human ghoul]
      [OUTSIDER_CONTROLLABLE]
      [CREATURE_TILE:'U'][COLOR:3:0:0]
      [CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE:154]
      [CREATURE_CLASS:MAMMAL]
      [INTELLIGENT]
      [CANOPENDOORS]
      [BENIGN]
      [PREFSTRING:stature]
      [BODY:HUMANOID_NECK:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:5FINGERS:5TOES:MOUTH:TONGUE:FACIAL_FEATURES:TEETH:RIBCAGE]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HEAD_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:EYEBROW:EYEBROW_TEMPLATE]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYEBROW:ABOVE:BY_CATEGORY:EYE]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:EYELASH:EYELASH_TEMPLATE]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:EYELID:EYELASH:FRONT]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL:FRONT]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:NAIL:FRONT]
      [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
       [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
         [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUES]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
      [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
      [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
      [HAS_NERVES]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
      [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
      [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
      [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
      [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
      [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SWEAT:SWEAT_TEMPLATE]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:TEARS:TEARS_TEMPLATE]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SPIT:SPIT_TEMPLATE]
      [SECRETION:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SWEAT:LIQUID:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN:EXERTION]
      [SECRETION:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TEARS:LIQUID:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:ALL:EXTREME_EMOTION]
      [CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]
         [CDI:ADV_NAME:Spit]
         [CDI:USAGE_HINT:NEGATIVE_SOCIAL_RESPONSE]
         [CDI:USAGE_HINT:TORMENT]
         [CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
         [CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SPIT:LIQUID_GLOB]
         [CDI:VERB:spit:spits:NA]
         [CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
         [CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:15]
         [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
         [CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:30]
      [BODY_SIZE:0:0:4000]
      [BODY_SIZE:1:168:17500]
      [BODY_SIZE:12:0:70000]
      [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]
      [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CLOSE_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DEEP_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:ROUND_VS_NARROW:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LARGE_IRIS:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:LIP]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:THICKNESS:50:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:lips:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:150:190]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:NOSE]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:UPTURNED:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CONVEX:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:nose bridge:SINGULAR]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EAR]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SPLAYED_OUT:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HANGING_LOBES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:GAPS:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:100:100:100:100:100:100] for vampires
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:1000]
            [APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:SKULL]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HIGH_CHEEKBONES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROAD_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:JUTTING_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SQUARE_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DEEP_VOICE:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:RASPY_VOICE:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
         [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
            [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
            [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
      [MAXAGE:60:120]
      [ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]
         [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
         [ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]
         [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
         [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:STANCE]
         [ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
         [ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
         [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
         [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
      [ATTACK:SCRATCH:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:GRASP:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL]
         [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
         [ATTACK_VERB:scratch:scratches]
         [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
         [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
         [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
      [ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
         [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
         [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
         [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
         [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
         [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
         [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
      [BABY:1]
      [CHILD:12]
      [EQUIPS]
      [DIURNAL]
      [SMELL_TRIGGER:90]
      [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
      [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph
      [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph, NO DATA
      [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:5341:4723:4112:1254:6433:7900] 7 kph
      [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph, NO DATA
      [SWIMS_LEARNED]
      [MANNERISM_FINGERS:finger:fingers]
      [MANNERISM_NOSE:nose]
      [MANNERISM_EAR:ear]
      [MANNERISM_HEAD:head]
      [MANNERISM_EYES:eyes]
      [MANNERISM_MOUTH:mouth]
      [MANNERISM_HAIR:hair]
      [MANNERISM_KNUCKLES:knuckles]
      [MANNERISM_LIPS:lips]
      [MANNERISM_CHEEK:cheek]
      [MANNERISM_NAILS:nails]
      [MANNERISM_FEET:feet]
      [MANNERISM_ARMS:arms]
      [MANNERISM_HANDS:hands]
      [MANNERISM_TONGUE:tongue]
      [MANNERISM_LEG:leg]
      [MANNERISM_LAUGH]
      [MANNERISM_SMILE]
      [MANNERISM_WALK]
      [MANNERISM_SIT]
      [MANNERISM_BREATH]
      [MANNERISM_POSTURE]
      [MANNERISM_STRETCH]
      [MANNERISM_EYELIDS]
      [SPOUSE_CONVERSION_TARGET]
      [MUNDANE]
      [CASTE:FEMALE]
         [FEMALE]
         [MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
      [CASTE:MALE]
         [MALE]
         [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_TYPE:LOWERBODY][BP_ADD_TYPE:GELDABLE]
         [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS]
      [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:HAIR]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHEEK_WHISKERS]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHIN_WHISKERS]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:MOUSTACHE]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:SIDEBURNS]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYEBROW]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYELID:EYELASH]
      [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:AMBER:1:AUBURN:1:BLACK:1:BROWN:1:BUFF:1:BURNT_SIENNA:1:BURNT_UMBER:1:CHARCOAL:1:CHESTNUT:1:CHOCOLATE:1:CINNAMON:1:COPPER:1:DARK_BROWN:1:DARK_CHESTNUT:1:DARK_TAN:1:ECRU:1:FLAX:1:GOLD:1:GOLDEN_YELLOW:1:GOLDENROD:1:LIGHT_BROWN:1:MAHOGANY:1:OCHRE:1:PALE_BROWN:1:PALE_CHESTNUT:1:PUMPKIN:1:RAW_UMBER:1:RUSSET:1:SAFFRON:1:SEPIA:1:TAN:1:TAUPE_DARK:1:TAUPE_GRAY:1:TAUPE_MEDIUM:1:TAUPE_PALE:1:TAUPE_SANDY:1]
               [TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
            [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GRAY:1]
               [TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
               [TLCM_TIMING:ROOT:40:0:70:0]
            [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:WHITE:1]
               [TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
               [TLCM_TIMING:ROOT:70:0:90:0]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYEBROW]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyebrows:PLURAL]
               [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:130:145]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DENSE:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyebrows:PLURAL]
               [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:130:145]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HIGH_POSITION:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyebrows:PLURAL]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYELID:EYELASH]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyelashes:PLURAL]
               [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:130:145]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:HAIR]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHEEK_WHISKERS]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHIN_WHISKERS]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:MOUSTACHE]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:SIDEBURNS]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
               [APP_MOD_RATE:1:DAILY:0:1000:0:0:NO_END]
               [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:10:25:75:125:200:300]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CURLY:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:GREASY:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DENSE:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
               [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:130:145]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:HAIR]
            [TISSUE_STYLE_UNIT:HAIR:STANDARD_HAIR_SHAPINGS]
               [TSU_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHEEK_WHISKERS]
          [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHIN_WHISKERS]
            [TISSUE_STYLE_UNIT:BEARD:STANDARD_BEARD_SHAPINGS]
               [TSU_NOUN:beard:SINGULAR]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:MOUSTACHE]
            [TISSUE_STYLE_UNIT:MOUSTACHE:STANDARD_MOUSTACHE_SHAPINGS]
               [TSU_NOUN:moustache:SINGULAR]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:SIDEBURNS]
            [TISSUE_STYLE_UNIT:SIDEBURNS:STANDARD_SIDEBURNS_SHAPINGS]
               [TSU_NOUN:sideburns:PLURAL]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
      [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1:BURNT_UMBER:1:CINNAMON:1:COPPER:1:DARK_BROWN:1:DARK_PEACH:1:DARK_TAN:1:ECRU:1:PALE_BROWN:1:PALE_CHESTNUT:1:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1:RAW_UMBER:1:SEPIA:1:TAN:1:TAUPE_PALE:1:TAUPE_SANDY:1]
               [TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:WRINKLY:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
               [APP_MOD_RATE:1:YEARLY:0:100:30:0:NO_END]
               [APP_MOD_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
               [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:0:0:0:1:25:50]
         [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
            [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:IRIS_EYE_AMBER:1:IRIS_EYE_AQUA:1:IRIS_EYE_AQUAMARINE:1:IRIS_EYE_ASH_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_AUBURN:1:IRIS_EYE_AZURE:1:IRIS_EYE_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_BRASS:1:IRIS_EYE_BRONZE:1:IRIS_EYE_BROWN:1:IRIS_EYE_CERULEAN:1:IRIS_EYE_CHESTNUT:1:IRIS_EYE_CHOCOLATE:1:IRIS_EYE_CINNAMON:1:IRIS_EYE_COPPER:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_BROWN:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_CHESTNUT:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_OLIVE:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_TAN:1:IRIS_EYE_ECRU:1:IRIS_EYE_EMERALD:1:IRIS_EYE_FERN_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_JADE:1:IRIS_EYE_LIGHT_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_LIGHT_BROWN:1:IRIS_EYE_MAHOGANY:1:IRIS_EYE_MIDNIGHT_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_OCHRE:1:IRIS_EYE_OLIVE:1:IRIS_EYE_PALE_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_PALE_BROWN:1:IRIS_EYE_PALE_CHESTNUT:1:IRIS_EYE_PERIWINKLE:1:IRIS_EYE_PINE_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_RAW_UMBER:1:IRIS_EYE_RUSSET:1:IRIS_EYE_SEA_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_SEPIA:1:IRIS_EYE_SKY_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_SLATE_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_SPRING_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_TAN:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_DARK:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_MEDIUM:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_PALE:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_SANDY:1:IRIS_EYE_TEAL:1:IRIS_EYE_TURQUOISE:1]
               [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

Although they don't seem to like fighting humans in arena, do you suppose they'd fight in actual fortress mode due to utterances?  Or perhaps that'd just be for DS civs.

Also I hear Darkspawn cannot swim; so would that mean SWIM_SPEED would be 0 or is there a way to just prevent them entirely from having the ability to swim or should I just remove the swimming gaits?

[MachinaMandala]

Syndromes
Spot on the mark there, I think!

Swimming
Lack of swimming would be: [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:SWIMMING:0] in the creature file, which would cause them to drown any time they enter water.

You can also change their swimming gait to: [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] which would make them swim at 1kph. Combine these and they'll always drown if they fall into water.

Aggressiveness
Have you got the lethality set to the right one and are you sure they're not on the same "team" (on the creature creation screen there's a numbered and coloured indicator for teams)? If they're on the same team they won't fight.

[Teirdalin]

Have them set on independent which I think should work, and encounter.
They seem to just want to hang out and be friends.

[MachinaMandala]

Yeah, encounter is too low of a level of conflict. Lethal / No Quarter is more realistic.

[Teirdalin]

Would they still properly fight if encountered in the caves though? 

I know for things like a giant lion they still engage in combat on encounter, so not sure why I can't seem to get them to at least try fighting with Hurlocks.

[MachinaMandala]

Would they still properly fight if encountered in the caves though? 

I know for things like a giant lion they still engage in combat on encounter, so not sure why I can't seem to get them to at least try fighting with Hurlocks.

Well, the problem is that it's a 50/50 with underground civs, if I understand it right. It depends if you've got to war with them or not. Give them [BABYSNATCHER] or something similar and it should be fine.

Giant lions are unthinking [LARGE_PREDATOR]s, so their AI is different.

[Teirdalin]

Guessing utterances is good enough, babysnatcher does sound like it'd fit but it seems that causes the snatched babies to grow up and join the races civ;  which would be perfect if only it turned them into ghouls. lol

There is a lot of fun entity tokens to give them though.

Maybe a workaround for bringing ghouls to the broodmother pit could be to use EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT to cause the ghouls to drop an item like "Unconscious Ghoul" or something with EBO_ITEM and EBO_SHAPE.
If that would even work.

[MachinaMandala]

You'd probably be better off having ghouls just be raisable by the broodmother like a necromancer interaction with a transformation instead.