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Lestrage

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Villainous dragons and beasts.
« on: December 07, 2018, 12:13:09 pm »

I wonder if there is a possibility for dragons and other mega beasts to be intelligent and have an alignment.
Reading legends I believe dragons are already antagonists with bases in lairs, so further villain capability should be suitable.

Other villains could be : giants, forgotten beasts, ?eventually(sea beasts and creatures), great collectives of lesser creatures (eg. imps?)
single or collectives of were-creatures? greater-spiders.

> Villainous activity could be capturing and kidnapping people and imprisonment in lair, possibly as ransom for treasure (or to eat)

> They may hypnotise and control creatures : to spy on settlements (maybe to later attack or take over)

> They may gather a willing (cult) or unwilling following of people, and possibly use these to attack, defend themselves or spy, or make themselves powerful

> They may menace and threaten a settlement or people in return for tribute, or they may bribe with treasure or a hypnotism for influence

> They may cause trouble for the sake of it, scheme out of nature or enjoyment

> they may hold grudges on a general population


The obvious dragon villains are talkien's Smaug, Fafnir from norse mythology and Beowulf dragon.
They seem have a thing for treasure and greed for wealth

So other villain beasts could be fixated on power and influence (tribute / following), or causing violence and damage, or hunger for food, 
or hunger for a following (belief / worship)
they could also be motivated by jealousy (of wealth/reputation), or out of alignment (eg enmity to followers of a deity)
They may just hate certain kinds of creatures eg. underground beast hating dwarfs from surface
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FantasticDorf

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Re: Villainous dragons and beasts.
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2018, 12:56:04 pm »

Its in development goals for megabeasts to eventually barter but of course the tags, definitions and abilities all vary, unless new megabeasts were added of course. Development log here

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Better megabeasts

    Variety and randomization within constraints (e.g. various dragons)
    Reproduction
    Share any intelligent/diplomacy behavior that other hist figs have when appropriate


The only one actually in a position to speak sensibly without attempting to murder you first for no reasons (making a particular dig at the minotaur in its maze) is the Cyclops, so these will probably often be the brainboxes behind a particular scheme probably to establish its [POWER] tag and take over a civ as supreme leader.

  • Nearly all the creatures that are beastial or too stupid to function like a normal intelligent being would probably be elicit to bribery of some sort, the 'sacrifice' of a citizen, article of wealth or artifact to carry off screen satisified until the next collection. However most to nearly all of them have [POWER] or a particular sphere to worship so that plays a part too to maybe bypassing these restrictions
You honestly want to David vs Goliath a cyclops after it's already succeeded its plan to become the monarch of the realm and live in its big dwarven built tower fortress of Babel?
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Re: Villainous dragons and beasts.
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2018, 04:28:52 pm »

I think I remember Toady saying that villains will require the [INTELLIGENT] token to function, which unfortunately would rule out most of the megabeasts without modding. Could be a false memory on my part though, I can certainly think of ways in which villainous beasts might work.
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