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amymist

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #960 on: September 22, 2018, 12:20:38 pm »

Will it ever be possible to control non-civilized entities?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #961 on: September 22, 2018, 07:27:59 pm »

Will it ever be possible to control non-civilized entities?
Probably? Sounds interesting.

But "ever" is a long time, be more specific to get something other than an exact copy of my reply.
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« Reply #962 on: September 22, 2018, 07:31:14 pm »

It's the idea to eventually be able to play as dragons and such. I'm not sure if megabeasts count as "civilized" by virtue of being intelligent and sometimes extracting tribute from civilized creatures. If you mean being able to play as an animal, like a lion or something, I don't know if that sort of thing is planned. You could probably get pretty close by using DFhack in the current game though, so who knows!
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #963 on: September 22, 2018, 07:34:32 pm »

It's the idea to eventually be able to play as dragons and such. I'm not sure if megabeasts count as "civilized" by virtue of being intelligent and sometimes extracting tribute from civilized creatures. If you mean being able to play as an animal, like a lion or something, I don't know if that sort of thing is planned. You could probably get pretty close by using DFhack in the current game though, so who knows!
I think they meant tribal animal people.
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« Reply #964 on: September 22, 2018, 07:59:46 pm »

Those WILL be civilized in their own way, it's just not really implemented yet.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #965 on: September 22, 2018, 08:07:06 pm »

Can relationships change over time? I'm thinking that rival athletes being thrown into war together and becoming war buddies is the plot of at least half a dozen movies.
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« Reply #966 on: September 22, 2018, 08:47:40 pm »

You mean, differently from how they currently progress through the values?

(I don't know if someone could obtain a grudge against a friend with the now-changing personalities.)

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« Reply #967 on: September 22, 2018, 09:29:04 pm »

You mean, differently from how they currently progress through the values?

(I don't know if someone could obtain a grudge against a friend with the now-changing personalities.)
I mean in worldgen. War Buddy and Lecture-Pal don't seem to have a distinct "progression" between one another. Is one more friendly than the other? Are either more/less than "friend"? Seems that the new system has a more open relationship setting based on actual events.

Hence, if in 125 two dorfs became rival athletes, would this prevent them becoming war buddies several years later (thus being unable to recreate a fairly common story trope)? Or does one replace the other? Or do they get both relationships?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #968 on: September 23, 2018, 03:31:44 am »

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Athletic competitions were limited to intra-civilization participation, which wasn't great for forming links, so I looked at the trade routes and diplomatic state. Now a competition which occurs in a city linked to another peaceful civilization by trade can accept competitors from that civilization. After that was implemented, we even had a dwarf and elf become friends, before the war started. Of course, they bonded over a foot race, which the elf won, which didn't seem entirely fair in retrospect.
Very exciting!
Do athletic events have any consideration for the body attributes and skills of those participating? Similarly, is anything on the short term chopping block of fleshing out such events (actor-audience veneration style relationships, etc) in the short term, or are they largely thematic placeholders for now, to get the inter-social network of the world more depth for the villain-plot related arcs?

Another question: concerning "villainous plots", are the long term plans for these specifically to develop antagonists that can make clearly defined epics that the player can easily role play into? Or will the moralities and intentions of ambitious individuals start to become more ambiguous and diverse as ongoing development gives such actors more reasons to perform at odds with larger authorities?

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #969 on: September 23, 2018, 04:00:41 am »

All this long wait, and now the game is slowly filled with exciting content. I'm really happy with the last devblogs. Good job !
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« Reply #970 on: September 24, 2018, 05:57:18 pm »

It's the idea to eventually be able to play as dragons and such. I'm not sure if megabeasts count as "civilized" by virtue of being intelligent and sometimes extracting tribute from civilized creatures. If you mean being able to play as an animal, like a lion or something, I don't know if that sort of thing is planned. You could probably get pretty close by using DFhack in the current game though, so who knows!
I think they meant tribal animal people.
Nah, I just meant something like playing a giant leopard and terrorizing the local populace. I do appreciate the answers, though!
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #971 on: September 24, 2018, 06:13:39 pm »

Quote from: DF Devlog 2018-09-22
In particular, I'm almost feeling ready for Villain Conspiracy Attempt #2, but I'll likely toy around a bit more with crime and garden-variety corruption to make the situation even more amenable to larger-scale bad deeds and blackmail.

Yes, but what have you been doing on the game?  :D

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.)
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« Reply #972 on: September 24, 2018, 06:32:29 pm »

With the implication of multiple (before, the different states only reacted with themselves in peacetime and often had no knowledge of others without a war or player fortress trading/buggy hill dwarf links) trade routes, introductions and bondings mean that we will have positive relations (to ruin with dwarven ingenuity and game exploits like petty goods seizing, raiding etc.) that might repair themselves over time while things happen off map during the process of a non worldgen fortress?

And one small side question, is "the master of beasts" a implicit nod towards the defunct beastmaster noble or just coincidentally a fancy title name for this variable position padding out?


With so much war, diplomacy is a bit lacking, nice to see even if just worldgen something is being done and we might yet see the power of mutual friendship between leaders colluding their spy networks to prevail over evil plotting and schemes to divide them purposefully. Medieval NATO or the UN.
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« Reply #973 on: September 24, 2018, 08:20:26 pm »


You mentioned thinking of upgrading necromancer and bandit lairs to be more extensive, but have you considered something similar for vampires or is that not on the roadmap for the upcoming updates?

Is a new civ/site type at all possible in the (relatively) near future? Not particularly expecting it but I've just been thinking about how a nomadic/tent-dwelling civ might function with the new mount mechanics.

If civs have flying mounts will they make contact with normally unreachable civs?

Will innate skills/stat boosts affect adventure mode party creation costs?
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« Reply #974 on: September 24, 2018, 09:22:09 pm »

Will it ever be possible to control non-civilized entities?
Toady's plan is to implement a framework for a variety of embark scenarios, from your standard fortress to a roadside inn to a penal colony and so on; as such, I see no reason that primitive tribes wouldn't be supported, at least with modding.
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