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Pillbo

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2820 on: January 27, 2020, 07:42:23 pm »

When dwarves talking to each other is working what does that look like in the game? For example when walking past each other in a hall, is it sort of 'Unit1 greets Unit2', 'Unit2 insults Unit1' then they both continue on? Or is it more in depth like 'Unit1 mentions event/histfig/item to Unit2', 'Unit2 responds directly to mentioned thing', 'Unit1 says "it was inevitable"'?

Assuming they actually say things, does what they say depend on what their knowledge/opinions are of each other? Is this different from when they are specifically Socializing
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2821 on: January 27, 2020, 07:56:33 pm »

When dwarves talking to each other is working what does that look like in the game? For example when walking past each other in a hall, is it sort of 'Unit1 greets Unit2', 'Unit2 insults Unit1' then they both continue on? Or is it more in depth like 'Unit1 mentions event/histfig/item to Unit2', 'Unit2 responds directly to mentioned thing', 'Unit1 says "it was inevitable"'?

Assuming they actually say things, does what they say depend on what their knowledge/opinions are of each other? Is this different from when they are specifically Socializing
?

If you play adventure mode you could see it. Its very in depth, they even do small talk about the weather. (And yes all the same conversations happen in fort mode as in adventure mode, or rumors wouldn't spread the way they do)
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2822 on: January 27, 2020, 08:13:27 pm »

Will food spoilage make it to the game?

Many foods have spoiled and otherwise degraded without special stockpiles and attention to vermin for many years, did you have something more specific in mind?

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2823 on: January 28, 2020, 01:17:02 am »

Will food spoilage make it to the game?

Yep.

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This has been on the table with, say, food preservation before, and recipes and all that.  So there are few angles and we'll get there when that stuff comes back into view, whenever that might be.

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We have some notes about food preservation, but it's not planned out.  Would probably help the farm situation as much as anything.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2824 on: January 29, 2020, 08:12:20 am »

Is there a plan for adding in further integration of plots and intrigues to adventure mode? Can we expect more plot-related goodness before the Steam release?
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« Reply #2825 on: January 29, 2020, 08:54:16 am »

Is there a plan for adding in further integration of plots and intrigues to adventure mode? Can we expect more plot-related goodness before the Steam release?
After Steam release according to the devlog.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2826 on: January 29, 2020, 09:07:30 am »

Will villain/plotting networks eventually seek non-adversarial means of acquiring certain goals? For example, providing certain services to acquire assets, working together with ideological or political allies to accomplish a mutually desired goal, or exchanging proprietary information or craft knowledge as a service?

It would definitely be interesting if we were able to intercept a criminal network operating out of our fortress, and decide against dismantling them, instead directly negotiating terms with them and/or sponsoring certain operations if we deem their goals or needs useful.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2827 on: January 29, 2020, 10:20:33 am »

In regards to the new summoning interaction, is there a token for summoning a specific creature (or creatures with a specific creature class) or is it only random and token-based for now? Similarly for the summoning area - Teneb noticed that with the random location parameter the summoned creatures tend to fall from the sky and occasionally take damage as a result.

They also seem to poof out of existence when they walk too far away from the summoner, is there a way to prevent that?

Also, what arguments does IE_ITEM_QUALITY in the shrine effects interaction take besides ARTIFACT? Same question in regards to IE_ADD_WEATHER besides THICK_FOG.

Thanks for the update! I'd be a tad disappointed if there isnt a way to summon specific creatures yet, but the new healing tokens, item summoning, edged ranged interaction attacks and the propel abilities definitely open up a lot of exciting possibilities!
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« Reply #2828 on: January 29, 2020, 10:45:01 am »

New version is out ! v47 !
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2829 on: January 29, 2020, 10:52:07 am »

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2830 on: January 29, 2020, 02:02:24 pm »

Anyway to add summon interactions for specific creatures? IE by defining a new CREATURE_CLASS ?

Instead of just deciding based on presence or absence of tags?

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If not (or even if so) what are the limitations? Can it use any token or just certain tokens, etc?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2831 on: January 29, 2020, 03:38:48 pm »

What does "all creatures w/ spit + animal people variation get it" (line 24) in the new file changes file mean? Is it describing which creatures get the pet interaction?

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2832 on: January 29, 2020, 03:48:31 pm »

What does "all creatures w/ spit + animal people variation get it" (line 24) in the new file changes file mean? Is it describing which creatures get the pet interaction?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2833 on: January 29, 2020, 03:56:19 pm »

When dwarves talking to each other is working what does that look like in the game?
If you play adventure mode you could see it. Its very in depth, they even do small talk about the weather. (And yes all the same conversations happen in fort mode as in adventure mode, or rumors wouldn't spread the way they do)

Those adv mode conversations were more or less the inspiration for the question. I guess another way of asking my question would be: is the way people talk in adventure mode the exact same way they talk in fort mode? Since I've not seen any way to record or observe that these conversations are happening in fort mode I didn't know if they happen the same way or in some a simplified/abstracted way. What are the future plans for how the player will be able to interact with or observe talking in fort mode?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #2834 on: January 29, 2020, 05:12:32 pm »

You can enable conversations to show up in the announcements via the announcement.txt file, they're virtually the same as the adventure mode convos. (With the exception that dorfs can actually make friends this way, and I am not sure if adv. npcs actually make friends if you leave them alone long enough. They didn't in .44 at the least.)
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