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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #120 on: April 19, 2019, 10:01:53 pm »

Hm. Renaming the file seemed to jigger it back into place. A strange bug, but thankfully resolved for now.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #121 on: May 15, 2019, 04:29:00 am »

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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #122 on: May 15, 2019, 04:49:12 am »

Add weapons for ogres. Giant axe - made from trap component giant axe blade and log. War log - club, made from full log, but some smaller in handle, is training weapon for made only from wood. Lüber - made from two chains and trap component disk, use lasher skill. Giant's pike - made from log and trap component spike. Goblin star - made from spiked ball and log. Log bow - shoot ballista arrows. Siege sling - throw cannon balls, made from ropes and cloth/leather.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #123 on: May 15, 2019, 05:39:47 am »

Yeah, I've been pondering an idea of an optional giant civ with equally giant weapons - to go along with the rest of the "tactical" civs. Not sure how giant exactly, though. Vanilla ogre size seems a bit overkill.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #124 on: May 15, 2019, 07:43:36 am »

Yeah, I've been pondering an idea of an optional giant civ with equally giant weapons - to go along with the rest of the "tactical" civs. Not sure how giant exactly, though. Vanilla ogre size seems a bit overkill.
Vanilla goblins have ogres and trolls.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #125 on: May 15, 2019, 08:23:05 am »

Indeed, but the way they are treated by the game, they won't receive any weapons intended for them. Rather, there would be some goblins wielding oversized weapons.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #126 on: May 15, 2019, 09:10:51 am »

Indeed, but the way they are treated by the game, they won't receive any weapons intended for them. Rather, there would be some goblins wielding oversized weapons.
In goblin fortress mode equipment work normal. Goblins need trolls for use big weapons.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #127 on: May 16, 2019, 11:51:29 am »

Yeah, I've been pondering an idea of an optional giant civ with equally giant weapons - to go along with the rest of the "tactical" civs. Not sure how giant exactly, though. Vanilla ogre size seems a bit overkill.
Make skulking aboveground civ of ogres. They use weapons from trap components, wear only loincloth or not wear any clothes, send thief to fortress with big pop, live on swamps in kobold-like aboveground sites.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #128 on: May 16, 2019, 02:02:33 pm »

In goblin fortress mode equipment work normal. Goblins need trolls for use big weapons.
Make skulking aboveground civ of ogres. They use weapons from trap components, wear only loincloth or not wear any clothes, send thief to fortress with big pop, live on swamps in kobold-like aboveground sites.

I ain't really keen on making stuff which will only ever be usable in other mods. So, yeah, something like you suggested most likely, although, I think I would pick trolls over ogres, because ogres are really damn huge for any weapon to make sense at that size. It is unfortunate DF doesn't allow for some sort of weaponizable spiked boots...
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #129 on: May 16, 2019, 02:21:35 pm »

In goblin fortress mode equipment work normal. Goblins need trolls for use big weapons.
Make skulking aboveground civ of ogres. They use weapons from trap components, wear only loincloth or not wear any clothes, send thief to fortress with big pop, live on swamps in kobold-like aboveground sites.

I ain't really keen on making stuff which will only ever be usable in other mods. So, yeah, something like you suggested most likely, although, I think I would pick trolls over ogres, because ogres are really damn huge for any weapon to make sense at that size. It is unfortunate DF doesn't allow for some sort of weaponizable spiked boots...
DF allows weapon pants :)

Trolls civ will be underground. I prefer blizzard man civ. All as ogre civ, but for glacier and tundra. Blizzard man weapons also usable by trolls. 

Ogres also good for giant bow, powerful as ballista.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2019, 03:11:38 am »

Trolls civ will be underground. I prefer blizzard man civ. All as ogre civ, but for glacier and tundra. Blizzard man weapons also usable by trolls. 

Yes, but kobold-like civs live in caves anyway, so this isn't much of a stretch.
And there is a problem with Blizzard men civs in that they don't procreate without modification, leading to their civs quickly disappearing. A sasquatch/yeti civ, perhaps?
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2019, 03:23:45 am »

Trolls civ will be underground. I prefer blizzard man civ. All as ogre civ, but for glacier and tundra. Blizzard man weapons also usable by trolls. 

Yes, but kobold-like civs live in caves anyway, so this isn't much of a stretch.
And there is a problem with Blizzard men civs in that they don't procreate without modification, leading to their civs quickly disappearing. A sasquatch/yeti civ, perhaps?
Kobold live in caves, but "CAVE" site type can be aboveground. Good for small or even large tribes.

Blizzard men can learn, sasquatch/yeti - cannot. Will not intelligent creatures use weapons? But idea is good, if they will use weapons.

I make civ of harpies, they can live even 10000 years. Not many creatures live in glacier.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #132 on: May 21, 2019, 07:35:52 pm »

If I want to implement the light/heavy split myself, it's just a matter of making the 'light' weapons use CROSSBOW and the 'heavy' weapons use Bow, and then adding appropriate PROFESSION_NAME tags to the civilized races, right?
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #133 on: May 22, 2019, 01:41:30 am »

Yep, that's pretty much all there is to it.

The reason I've made it into a poll is because this will impact the army compositions of "tactical civs" from the latest version.
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Re: [44.xx] Sver's DF Combat Reworked (update v1.5)
« Reply #134 on: May 22, 2019, 02:07:02 am »

The Tips and notes post now includes a tiered list of melee weapons, with a short, thesis summary of each.
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