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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2018, 09:03:34 pm »

I'm unsure as to how I had done it, but in one of my forts I had troglodytes listed as citizens. It was unmodded and I had a troglodyte breeding room (I don't know why); I think I may have retired and rejoined the fort which bugged the save.

I made the troglodytes tavern keepers and such to leave my dwarves for more important jobs.

I just had a look but I couldn't find any pictures, but I'm certain I wasn't just hallucinating.
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2018, 09:54:38 pm »

Hm, so then it's probably doable with animal-people! We have found a way to make them citizens. Now they're pretty useful, because of free workforce.
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2018, 11:01:39 pm »

or you could build a pit trap http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Pit_trap and then throw your troglodites in it
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« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2018, 11:51:34 pm »

or you could build a pit trap http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Pit_trap and then throw your troglodites in it
What my suggestion was, basically. Also has a tendency to make dorfs no longer care about anything anymore, so drop them in your barracks for mental training. :P
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2018, 08:35:29 am »

or you could build a pit trap http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Pit_trap and then throw your troglodites in it
What my suggestion was, basically. Also has a tendency to make dorfs no longer care about anything anymore, so drop them in your barracks for mental training. :P

no, you sujested to drop them in a big enough shaft to make them explode
and I am sujesting to make a small pit trap to put them live in there so whatever falls get attacked by troglodites
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2018, 12:05:46 pm »

I'm unsure as to how I had done it, but in one of my forts I had troglodytes listed as citizens. It was unmodded and I had a troglodyte breeding room (I don't know why); I think I may have retired and rejoined the fort which bugged the save.

I made the troglodytes tavern keepers and such to leave my dwarves for more important jobs.

I just had a look but I couldn't find any pictures, but I'm certain I wasn't just hallucinating.

I can diagnose this i think, implicitly the troglodytes born on the map belong to your 'site' because they are intelligent (intelligent creature birth rules, whever the baby lands its yours, if offsite its theirs), but since they are animals they emigrate off, the whole wacky allocation to check for fortress citizens probably saw 'intelligent being = born on site, add to citizens' without context, so validated the troglodytes.

However, this is a bug because semi-sapients were fixed in a prior version to not be applicable for occupation jobs (after modders accessed it with pet tags), this somehow this bypasses the code Toady put in blocking it, if it can be recreated and uploaded to Mantis for a hopeful fix it might be useful.
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2018, 01:03:33 pm »

I'm unsure as to how I had done it, but in one of my forts I had troglodytes listed as citizens. It was unmodded and I had a troglodyte breeding room (I don't know why); I think I may have retired and rejoined the fort which bugged the save.

I made the troglodytes tavern keepers and such to leave my dwarves for more important jobs.

I just had a look but I couldn't find any pictures, but I'm certain I wasn't just hallucinating.

I can diagnose this i think, implicitly the troglodytes born on the map belong to your 'site' because they are intelligent (intelligent creature birth rules, whever the baby lands its yours, if offsite its theirs), but since they are animals they emigrate off, the whole wacky allocation to check for fortress citizens probably saw 'intelligent being = born on site, add to citizens' without context, so validated the troglodytes.

However, this is a bug because semi-sapients were fixed in a prior version to not be applicable for occupation jobs (after modders accessed it with pet tags), this somehow this bypasses the code Toady put in blocking it, if it can be recreated and uploaded to Mantis for a hopeful fix it might be useful.
i can imagine it becoming a source of FUN regarding that invaders and your civ are hostile by default, so the trogs might attack their own offspring and start a bloodshed that might affect your dorfs.
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2018, 07:19:06 pm »

sorry for the thread necromancy but...

what about thaining the troglodytes in danger rooms?
that should make them better at killing invaders
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2018, 05:49:16 am »

You just set them lose inside your fort, they will run around not harming anyone except dogs, which they will try to eat, and then get eaten by.. I assume it is training my war dogs.
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2018, 07:52:17 am »

I personally support the use of tightly packed troglodytes set between two sets of walls, like thermal insulation.  When you get invaded/bored, drop a thin layer of pumped magma on top of them, lower the bridges which form the ends of this wall section and let them spread wildly. Not only do you get the fire effect mentioned previously by others, but insulation is expensive yo.
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Re: Troglodyte Usage
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2018, 09:02:35 pm »

Sorry, super late to the game here...  Trogs, being sentient, can learn skills.  You can make an arena, trap all sorts of wild animals (or buy them from the elves) and have death matches.  They will die quickly at the start, but over time some of them will get strong.  Then you can set them free for some fun :-) (presumably to play with something else that is attacking you at the time...)
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2018, 01:30:35 am »

Sorry, super late to the game here...  Trogs, being sentient, can learn skills.  You can make an arena, trap all sorts of wild animals (or buy them from the elves) and have death matches.  They will die quickly at the start, but over time some of them will get strong.  Then you can set them free for some fun :-) (presumably to play with something else that is attacking you at the time...)
thats exactly what I was trying to say
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