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Ciarog

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Re: Some sort of Crime Squad, I guess
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2018, 10:46:28 am »

If someone else was making this game, I would be excited, I would download it, and I would gladly play it.
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Personally, I still like the idea of Revolt of the Elites: the Game. But, if you're looking for another setting, then... hmm...

Post-apocalyptic might be interesting. Say that the United States federal government has ceased to exist as a functional entity (or at least in some way lost its claim to having a monopoly on the legitimate use of force) by the time the game begins and you're in charge of one of the successor factions. It could be a LCS-style direct action activist group, a gang/cartel, a rogue military unit, a corporate-backed PAC not unlike the kind being suggested here... just about anything. One part LCS, one part Syndicate Series, one part Shattered Union.
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Re: Some sort of Crime Squad, I guess
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2018, 11:25:43 am »

Because the answer is that winning is not worth it if you have to resort to violence to accomplish it. This isn't a game about the American Revolution against the British this is a game about how Liberals have always been demonized because of their progressive approach to policy that seeks to other throw the states quo and how violence is always mustered against those who oppose the status quo but as Martin Luther King once said "Darkness can not drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate can not drive out hate, only love can do that.
MLK was getting a lot more radical by the time the CIA had him killed...

...anyway, there hasn't been a single political movement in history was able to take power without violence, the threat of violence, or the backing of people who were willing to do violence on their behalf. I know our institutions love to shove this (heavily sanitized) view of The Reverend down our throats, but fact of the matter is that he would have gotten nowhere if he wasn't seen as a preferable alternative to the likes of the Black Panthers, Black Liberation Army, and Nation of Islam who were literally willing to burn down the cities of America if they didn't get their way. And then of course there was the Federal Government, which would be tasked with enforcing the changes that King et. al. wanted, violently if need be. Might is right and it always has been.
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Re: Some sort of Crime Squad, I guess
« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2018, 04:35:21 pm »

Because the answer is that winning is not worth it if you have to resort to violence to accomplish it. This isn't a game about the American Revolution against the British this is a game about how Liberals have always been demonized because of their progressive approach to policy that seeks to other throw the states quo and how violence is always mustered against those who oppose the status quo but as Martin Luther King once said "Darkness can not drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate can not drive out hate, only love can do that.
MLK was getting a lot more radical by the time the CIA had him killed...

...anyway, there hasn't been a single political movement in history was able to take power without violence, the threat of violence, or the backing of people who were willing to do violence on their behalf. I know our institutions love to shove this (heavily sanitized) view of The Reverend down our throats, but fact of the matter is that he would have gotten nowhere if he wasn't seen as a preferable alternative to the likes of the Black Panthers, Black Liberation Army, and Nation of Islam who were literally willing to burn down the cities of America if they didn't get their way. And then of course there was the Federal Government, which would be tasked with enforcing the changes that King et. al. wanted, violently if need be. Might is right and it always has been.

"violence, the threat of violence, or the backing of people who were willing to do violence on their behalf" is such a broad metric it applies to people shopping on black friday.

Personally, I still like the idea of Revolt of the Elites: the Game. But, if you're looking for another setting, then... hmm...

Post-apocalyptic might be interesting. Say that the United States federal government has ceased to exist as a functional entity (or at least in some way lost its claim to having a monopoly on the legitimate use of force) by the time the game begins and you're in charge of one of the successor factions. It could be a LCS-style direct action activist group, a gang/cartel, a rogue military unit, a corporate-backed PAC not unlike the kind being suggested here... just about anything. One part LCS, one part Syndicate Series, one part Shattered Union.
That does sound interesting.

That said, I'd feel better if AG could go two sentences without antisemitism.  Political ideology does not have to be tied to racial identity.
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Re: Some sort of Crime Squad, I guess
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2018, 05:41:01 pm »

If someone else was making this game, I would be excited, I would download it, and I would gladly play it. I'm just having a lot of difficulty getting myself to work on it because I've been in constant doubt about whether it's a game I should be making in this environment. I'm not worried about you guys -- I'm not worried that regular decent people are going to play the game and suddenly go "Yeah, time to go be a political terrorist IRL, that's a good idea" -- and I don't think that anyone should feel bad for wanting me to make this game, or for disagreeing with my misgivings. I just worry, and don't want my actions to feed in, even a little bit, to the psychosis of actual political terrorists, or to promote a mentality of vilification of other human beings in a time when, if anything, our politics desperately need a larger dose of humanity and better understanding of each other. I mean, you could say the same of any era; but these days that sort of decency is in especially short supply, and I'd rather not be part of the problem.

I'm confident that I could get this game into a stable, minimum viable state in a month or two of focused and enthusiastic free time development. I might still go for that goal. But right now that's difficult to promise. I'm having a hard time mustering the enthusiasm to work on it when I'm having moral doubts about finishing and releasing it at all.

Yeah, political violence and terrorism are now too much near home.

An update might see more peaceful methods (i.e. running as candidates or social action) and might add more backlash for violence.
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