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Witty

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"Feels jubilation for overcoming the threat"
« on: July 21, 2018, 04:45:26 pm »

So now, many dwarves will receive an unhappy thought upon seeing the corpse of a dead invader. While it's been balanced enough now to be mostly manageable in a happy fortress, there's really no in-game recognition for crushing a siege expect for, well, still being allowed to exist.

So I suggest that all the citizens of the fort receive a hefty happy thought (subject to change based on their personality) for having a siege lifted. Not only would it be nice to see your dwarves acknowledge your successful defense, but the happy thought would likely offset marginally the string of unhappiness they'll receive once it comes time to collect the goblinite. On the other end, if a siege extends for some period of time, dwarves could receive an unhappy thought for having to endure the assault.

It'd be nice if any of the militia dwarves that assisted directly in the defense received a special thought as well, but I'm not sure of the game could connect the dots at the moment for something like that.

Ambushes would be trickier, since it's technically not a siege to the game. Maybe a small thought for repelling the ambush once all the invaders have been neutralized?
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Re: "Feels jubilation for overcoming the threat"
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2018, 06:30:40 pm »

"Sent to work making cheese at the local fortress. Perfectly safe they said. Just watched the militia trudge back to their barracks battered up. Half of them are missing limbs, the other half didn't come back at all. Goblin ambush they said. No need to worry.

Looks like they're recruiting for new militia now."

Disagree with "all dwarves" being happy under such circumstances. Only works if "all dwarves" get a massive stress jump whenever you get sieged/ambushed.

"Some dwarves" maybe. That's assuming they even know an ambush occurred. In a big fortress, that's not a given.
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Re: "Feels jubilation for overcoming the threat"
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2018, 07:07:11 pm »

Dwarves that love peace get a pleasant thought when a siege or war ends.

Whereas dwarves that crave war on the opposite end of the spectrum love the excitement of new conflicts and sieges, and tend to have better morale for the duration.

Seems pretty easy to implement besides some new corpse reactions upon properly identifying a enemy then re-assigning the personal opinion of the dwarf vs the factional expected reaction. (uneasy vs pleased to see someone vastly different to themselves dead, or guilt over killing innocent people we provoked with raids that our civ likes)

You can pretty much label it it - "How much did they deserve to get smushed? (0) filthy goblin no regrets // to Innocent stone brother we started a sensless war with for no reason or out of our own greed for your artifacts (10)"
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Shonai_Dweller

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Re: "Feels jubilation for overcoming the threat"
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2018, 07:25:31 pm »

Is a new "group-think" thoughts system really the right way to go for this, though? Seems like Toady's held off introducing one so far in favour of individual thoughts based on actual experiences.

Later someone from the military might mention the fight in the tavern which could cause the listener a happy thought. Dwarves could talk about this happy news (and any other happy news they know about) as they go about their work in the fortress so others learn about it. Or even have someone in charge of spreading news throughout the fortress.

You'd also need some kind of system for smarter dwarves to realize that the population dropping from 200 to 3 is not cause for victory celebrations and happy thoughts even if the invaders did leave before finishing the job (even if Legends calls it a "victory").

Ambushes would be hard to judge too. They tend to leave after causing a little mayhem whether they're winning or not.
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Re: "Feels jubilation for overcoming the threat"
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2018, 10:44:19 am »

You'd also need some kind of system for smarter dwarves to realize that the population dropping from 200 to 3 is not cause for victory celebrations and happy thoughts even if the invaders did leave before finishing the job (even if Legends calls it a "victory").
I think whether or not they'd call it a victory is a moot point compared to 197 anguished thoughts.

Most dwarves should probably just feel relief about surviving a siege. Let the existence of other thoughts dictate whether they're in the mood to celebrate or not.
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