Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Aseaheru]

 An advanced fighter you mean. We have an old fighter in the AGC-AMD "Saeth" Mod 2B and a heavy fighter in the ACG-AMD AC15 "Saethydd".

 And theres a question, howmany dice do we have this turn?

[Kashyyk]

Good catch there Aseaheru, we actually saved one, so we have six dice to work with. That means we could progress the Cefyll, start a fighter project and do a revision this turn, but if we do that then either the advanced fighter or the Cefyll will be left on the backburner next turn. I'd rather have the flexibility of extra dice if need be.

[Aseaheru]

 I mean, I dont really see an effective use for the Cefyll past perhaps reverse Schräge Musik...

 Wandering away from my confusion, voteblock time, I guess. Get that outta the way.

DESIGNS
LDA AC15 "Dart" Fighter | (1) : AseaHeru,
LDA ABC15 "Clogfeini" Bomber | (0) :
ACG-AMD AC15 "Nodwydd" Fighter | (0) :

HOW TO DISPOSE OF OUR 6 DICE
Two designs(no revisions or saving)  | (0) :
One design, continue Cefyll(with rushing), saves 2 dice  | (0) :
One design, continue Cefyll(without rushing), saves 2 dice  | (0) :
One design, saves 3 dice  | (1) : AseaHeru,
continue Cefyll(with rushing), saves 5 dice  | (0) :
continue Cefyll(without rushing), saves 5 dice  | (0) :

[Doubloon-Seven]

DESIGNS
LDA AC15 "Dart" Fighter | (1) : AseaHeru,
LDA ABC15 "Clogfeini" Bomber | (0) :
ACG-AMD AC15 "Nodwydd" Fighter | (1) : D7

HOW TO DISPOSE OF OUR 6 DICE
Two designs(no revisions or saving)  | (0) :
One design, continue Cefyll(with rushing), saves 2 dice  | (0) :
One design, continue Cefyll(without rushing), saves 2 dice  | (0) :
One design, saves 3 dice  | (2) : AseaHeru, D7
continue Cefyll(with rushing), saves 5 dice  | (0) :
continue Cefyll(without rushing), saves 5 dice  | (0) :

The Cefyll will progress normally even with another design, right?

[Kashyyk]

So you guys missed my vote then?

[1] 2 Dice, 4PP to project Cefyll (no other spends this phase): Kashyyk

We've already invested in an actual ground attack craft. We've also demonstrated that ground attack is a good way to get prestige. I think we should finish the Cefyll off, instead of wasting those dice we spent to design it.

Afaik, we don't progress projects unless we spend dice on them, again a reason why I want to spend dice on the Cefyll.

I'd be happy to support a fighter though, but I'm not currently sure which one.

[Aseaheru]

Sorry about that Kashyyk, thought it was a suggestion or something forgot about it, and then made the voteblock half an hour later.
Dub, only if we spend a die on it. Else it will just sit then till whatever.

On fighters, yeah, the Nodwydd is probably a better plan then going fer the Dart. I am going to just edit it slightly first... and change my vote...

DESIGNS
LDA AC15 "Dart" Fighter | (0) :
LDA ABC15 "Clogfeini" Bomber | (0) :
ACG-AMD AC15 "Nodwydd" Fighter | (2) : D7, Aseaheru

HOW TO DISPOSE OF OUR 6 DICE
Two designs(no revisions or saving)  | (0) :
One design, continue Cefyll(with rushing), saves 2 dice  | (0) :
One design, continue Cefyll(without rushing), saves 2 dice  | (0) :
One design, continue cefyll with 2 dice(saves 1) | (0) :
One design, continue cefyll with 3 dice(No revision) | (0) :
One design, saves 3 dice  | (2) : AseaHeru, D7
continue Cefyll(with rushing), saves 5 dice  | (0) :
continue Cefyll(without rushing), saves 5 dice  | (0) :
Spend 2 dice on Cefyll with NO rushing(4 for revisions/saving)  | (1) : Kashyyk
Spend 2 dice of cefyll, Rush it once  | (0) :
Spend 2 dice of cefyll, Rush it twice  | (0) :
Spend 3 dice on Cefyll, no rush  | (0) :
Spend 3 dice on Cefyll, 1 rush  | (0) :
Spend 3 dice on Cefyll, 2 rush  | (0) :
Spend 3 dice on Cefyll, 3 rush  | (0) :
See, this is the problem with all these dice, choosing what to spend on continuing one design when rushes are a thing can give ya 20 options for voting even without designing new things or saved dice from earlier.

[Kashyyk]

DESIGNS
LDA AC15 "Dart" Fighter | (0) :
LDA ABC15 "Clogfeini" Bomber | (0) :
ACG-AMD AC15 "Nodwydd" Fighter | (3) : D7, Aseaheru, Kashyyk

HOW TO DISPOSE OF OUR 6 DICE
One design, saves 3 dice  | (2) : AseaHeru, D7
Spend 2 dice on Cefyll with NO rushing plus  one design (1 for revisions/saving)  | (1) : Kashyyk

If someone really wants one of those other options, they can add it in.

[piratejoe]

The Aircraft, Design of 1915 "Nodwydd" is an alternative design proposed by Awyrennau Gwynt Cryf-Atebion Mecanyddol Deinamig to cut costs and have a more interception-focused design resulting in a, to dumb it down to its simplest, a single seat pusher-configuration biplane intended to be armed with twin machineguns. Or, to go by the actual design log, "a pusher-configuration biplane(possessing a flat upper high-set and a lower dihedral(which, where it meets the fuselage is thickened to contain a fueltank) wingset in a single bay while wire braced and possessing a forward staggar) crewed by a single pilot, poweredby an improved form of the Rhodri 10-160 D16 armed with twin hull-mounted Cadwynog ŷd AGAA ACD15 machinecannon while possessing a structure consisting of geodetic wooden or duralumin stringers covered in doped fabric varnished to a smooth finish.

Time: 5 | Progress: 2 | Expense: 3

The engineers who worked on the Saethydd are brought in to work on what they consider a simple task that shouldn't take too much time. After all, how difficult can making a single seat Saethydd with smaller wings be? Regardless, they are currently adjusting to the whole 'making a fighter thing' but it shouldn't take too long for them to get their barrings. Though, the experimental Duralumin construction will cost a bit...

ACG-AMD AC15 "Nodwydd" | 2/16 progress | 2 PP per die | Rushed 0 times | 2 PP invested


Effectiveness: 6 | Cost: 4 | Bugs: 5

As it turns out, their work on a small aircraft that would be able to dogfight enemy aircraft effectively turns out quite well already. Powered by a heavily modified Rhodri called the Rhodri 10-180 D15 and having a sleek aerodynamic wing design, means that the finished aircraft has the potential to reach top speeds higher than any of our other aircraft, in fact, they believe it should be able to match, if not surpass with a few adjustments, the first version of the enemies own fighter once finished. And that's not all, the prototype is quite maneuverable thanks to its aforementioned wing design that should allow for quicker turning. Of course, if all of this was all there was it would be good but there is even more...

The aircraft's frame is not made out of wood but instead made out of duralumin, which will undoubtedly increase the amount of punishment it can take and make the frame of our aircraft much more effective in its current state. It does however, add a bit more weight, though that shouldn't be too much of an issue for the aircraft's performance. Additionally, its armed with the early prototypes of the Cadwynog ŷd AGAA ACD15 machinecannon, which has a Drych sight along with having tracer rounds and normal rounds (abet, only for bullets of its caliber) and has a somewhat low rate of fire of fire at only 100 RPM, but the caliber makes up for this. However, this does mean it will cost a bit...especially considering what most of the industrial output we are assigned is for.


It is now the Revision Phase. You have 3 die remaining to spend on Revisions or Save for the next turn.

Spoiler: Projects (click to show/hide)

AGC-AMD AC15 "Cefyll" | 4/19 progress | 2 PP per die | Rushed 0 times | 2 PP invested
ACG-AMD AC15 "Nodwydd" | 2/16 progress | 2 PP per die | Rushed 0 times | 2 PP invested

Spoiler: Designs and Technology (click to show/hide)

Planes:
-AGC ‘Saeth’ Biplane: A unarmed, single-seater reconnaissance plane made by Awyrennau gwynt cryf, also known as Strong wind aviation. Very accurately named, as its a fairly fast aircraft that is about as easy to turn as a arrow in flight is and not even a strong wind will really push it. The craft is fittingly powered by a five-cylinder rotary engine and made of wood and canvas making it fairly cheap to make. Cost: 3/1
--AGC-AMD "Saeth" Biplane A AGC Saeth variant made after AGC merged with Atebion Mecanyddol Deinamig. It has improved control surfaces, better aerodynamics, and better wing placement allowing it to be more maneuverable and slightly faster both in climb speed and more traditional speed. Its basically a better version of the old Saeth though it is still powered by the same engine.
---AGC-AMD "Saeth" Mod 2B Biplane A variant of the AMD variant that has the improved Rhodri engine and the mounts for two machine guns on the spars near the top side of the wing. Its needless to say faster then the normal AGC-AMD thanks to the engine, though is slower when armed. Costs 4/1
-ACG-AMD AC15 "Saethydd": A two-seater biplane with a Rhodri 10-140 D15 Radial engine in a pusher configuration. The Saethydd mounts two machineguns, one locked in the front for use by the pilot and one for the observer on a ring mount sitting forward of the pilot. Is reasonably fast and maneuverable for its size and very easy to maintain. Cost 5/1.
-AGC-AMD AC15 "Cefyll": A two-seater biplane with a Rhodri 10-160 D15 engine that has a nasty habit of cutting out. Has a steel cowling over the engine and a steel skin over the pilot and gunner, offering a bit more protection. Also has three guns, all used by the gunner with two pointed downward. Slightly faster than the Saethydd. Cost 6/1 (In Development)
-ACG-AMD AC15 "Nodwydd": A single-seater pusher biplane with a Rhodri 10-180 D15 engine that works fine. Has a frame made entirely out of duralumin and also two forward facing guns. Much faster than the Saethydd. Cost 6/2 (In Development)
Balloons:
-C15 Tŵr Awyr: A two man balloon with a full capacity of 5. One to two people watch out and observe the lines from the sky and take notes while one to two manage communications with the ground. Comes with two sets of Binoculars, two Legal pads, and a Sextant, Radio currently not tested. Costs 2/1
Equipment:
-Bloeddiwr 79: A radio fully integrated with an aircraft that in total adds an extra fifty pounds to the aircraft. Like the GW 78 it is a Morse code receiver/transmitter. Works at frequencies of 400-600kHz and has a 10 mile range. Costs 2
-AGAA AC15: A open bolt air cooled machine gun that fires 8.07mm rounds at about 600 per minute. Quite reliable all things considered. Costs 1 PP
-Deg punt Tri modfedd mortar shell: A 76.2mm or 3 inch shell that is 10 pounds...It doesn't have that much power for obvious reasons, but it works well enough. Costs 1 PP
-Llygad Hir camera: A infinitely focus, glass plate, manually loaded camera that is held by a pilot to take pictures. Also takes nice pictures of the entire squadron. Costs 1 PP
-Fasged Addasiad: A bomb clamp that can be adjusted to hold multiple small bombs or one larger bomb. Can be applies to any aircraft and its cargo is released by the pull of a leaver. Costs 1 PP for two.
Pilots:
-Vigilant: Information in advance is key to any war! Pren Gwyn pilots are very alert and tend to see things in the distance and make out what they are easier.
-Uniforms: green with white accents. Pilots are granted an arrow made of pure copper as a good luck charm to keep with them on their flights, being granted a iron, steel, bronze, silver and gold one to add to their collection as they gain rank.
Technology:
-Basic/Intermediate biplane design
-Basic monoplane design
-Basic balloon design
-Basic/Intermediate pusher configuration design
-Wooden frame construction
-Basic Duralumin frame construction
-Basic Geodetic frame construction
-Simple Cantilever
-Reflector Sight
-Basic control surfaces: ailerons, elevator and rudder
-Ring Gun mounting
-Basic Radial Engine design
-Basic crystal receivers, Morse code
-Basic spark-gap transmitter, Morse code
-Basic Regenerative Circuitry
Resources:
-1 Air Instructors: Instructors who quickly teach new pilots how to take off. How to actually properly use the rudder peddles and flightstick is left as an exercise for the student.
-1 Experimental Testing Field: The place where new aircraft and other air-related equipment are made and tested. Produces five dice worth of progress every turn.
-18 Production Points Base

Spoiler: Squadrons (click to show/hide)

Ydfran Adran | AGC-AMD C15 "Saethydd" | Fasged Addasiad, Deg punt Tri modfedd mortar shell | Bombing Runs | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to bombing tactical targets along the Bont Gwyn-Nachtburg Road

Esgob Adran | AGC-AMD C15 "Saethydd" | No Equipment | Strafing | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to strafing ground targets along the Gwag du-Sprungburg Road

Marchog Adran | AGC-AMD C15 "Saethydd" | No Equipment | Escort | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to escort Ydfran and Gwerinwyr Adrans

Gwerinwyr Adran | AGC-AMD "Saeth" ModB DG TyD Biplane | No Equipment | Aerial Reconnaissance | Rookie | Garth Mathias | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to aerial recon along the Bont Gwyn-Nachtburg Road

Castell Adran | AGC-AMD C15 "Saethydd" | No Equipment | Escort | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to escort Esgob Adran

Gwyliwr Adran | C15 Tŵr Awyr | No Equipment | Naval Artillery Spotting | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to assist Naval Raids along the cost of Brimnach

Telesgop Adran | C15 Tŵr Awyr | No Equipment | Artillery Spotting | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to provide artillery spotting along the Cwymp Cyflym-Hochrotes Schloss Road

Dormarch Adran | C15 Tŵr Awyr | No Equipment | Artillery Spotting | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to provide artillery spotting along the Tref Haearn-Dunklerfelsen Road

Spoiler: Equipment (click to show/hide)

None...

Spoiler: Statistics (click to show/hide)

Prestige: Very Little “Garth Mathias, you mean the star turn pilot?”
Status: Auxiliary Service
Army Relations: Lukewarm “Dropping artillery shells via aircraft...an interesting proposition, but why would one do such a thing?”
Navy Relations: Lukewarm “These Balloons could be part of the future of defensive fire control.”

Production Points: 16
Total Maintenance: 8

[Kashyyk]

I'm a little sad that no one wants to progress the Cefyll, but ah well. Have a bunch of Revisions instead!

The Nodwydd has an excellent engine, and the Cefyll does not. The Cefyll design will thus be updated to use the new 'Rhodri 10-180 D15' engine

By mixing various chemical mixtures/elements into the propellant for our bullets, we can get them to leave a distinctive trail behind them. This will be useful for our gunners to correct their aim, both in the air and on the ground.

Via a lens-and-mirror parlour trick, we can cause a targeting reticule to point in the right direction regardless of the angle looks through the sight. This will massively aid in shooting accuracy.

A quick modification on the mortar shell, that involves taking out the unneeded mortar propellant, reducing durability slightly (as it doesn't need to survive a propellant detonation), adding some basic guidance fins and filling the remaining weight limit with more HE payload. We should get a bigger, more accurate bang for our buck by removing unnecessary features of our shells.

[Aseaheru]

 It amuses me that "use cefyll engine and get it working" resulted in a new engine. As fer the Llygad, clearly the superior option is the Drych.

 Plus, well, the result on the AGAA is amusingly poor in respect to its rate of fire. So, theres a revision I want to grab...

Being a recoil operated weapon, particularly where the firing of one barrel operates the action of the other, a total rate of fire of only 100 rounds per minute in the initial mark is strange to say the least, and not as effective in air-to-air combat. Thus, the Mark 1 update, working to bring the weapon to a more expected rate of fire of roughly 1500 rounds per minute. Additionally, work is underway to introduce ammunition with incendiary or high-explosive charges.

The Ysgubor Project is an effort to replace existing AGAA AC15 mounts on our airframes with Cadwynog ŷd AGAA CD15 or Cadwynog ŷd AGAA C15 Mark 1s wherever possible, potentially in the form of universal mountings so as to increase versatility, particularly in the case of ground-attack missions. This also includes, where applicable, the Drych sight.

[Kashyyk]

What is this 'Drych' to which you refer?

Also, our names are unreadable enough without the gratuitous letters in them.

[Aseaheru]

 The "mirror" sight, part of the "chained corn" two-corn machinecannon.

 Hey, those letters have a use. And its not just confusing us either! I think I need to get together a list of the acronyms we do use tho...
(one given in discord.)

[Aseaheru]

 Right, discussion appears to have petered out. Voteblock time. I guess with three votes for revisions per person?

REVISIONS
Deg Punt Tri Modfedd bomb | (1) : AseaHeru
'Llygad' sight(replacing Drych sight) | (0) :
Tracer rounds for all | (0) :
Cefyll Engine Swap | (0) :
Cadwynog ŷd AGAA C15 Mark 1 | (1) : AseaHeru
Ysgubor Project | (1) : AseaHeru

NUMBER OF REVISIONS
One revision(save two dice for next turn) | (0) :
Two revisions(one dice saved) | (1) : Aseaheru
Three revisions(what is this saving you speak of?) | (0) :

[Kashyyk]

REVISIONS
Deg Punt Tri Modfedd bomb | (2) : AseaHeru, Kashyyk
'Llygad' sight(replacing Drych sight) | (0) :
Tracer rounds for all | (0) :
Cefyll Engine Swap | (1) : Kashyyk
Cadwynog ŷd AGAA C15 Mark 1 | (1) : AseaHeru
Ysgubor Project | (2) : AseaHeru, Kashyyk

NUMBER OF REVISIONS
One revision(save two dice for next turn) | (0) :
Two revisions(one dice saved) | (1) : Aseaheru
Three revisions(what is this saving you speak of?) | (1) : Kashyyk

[Aigre Excalibur]

REVISIONS
Deg Punt Tri Modfedd bomb | (2) : AseaHeru, Kashyyk
'Llygad' sight(replacing Drych sight) | (0) :
Tracer rounds for all | (0) :
Cefyll Engine Swap | (1) : Kashyyk
Cadwynog ŷd AGAA C15 Mark 1 | (1) : AseaHeru
Ysgubor Project | (2) : AseaHeru, Kashyyk

NUMBER OF REVISIONS
One revision(save two dice for next turn) | (0) :
Two revisions(one dice saved) | (1) : Aseaheru
Three revisions(what is this saving you speak of?) | (1) : Kashyyk

Go for it!