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Author Topic: Visitor- Lords require rooms before vassalship  (Read 650 times)

FantasticDorf

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Visitor- Lords require rooms before vassalship
« on: January 26, 2019, 05:17:11 am »

Just a point of contention, that regarding lords or positions of authority that come and settle within your fortress, on a national or local scale they should really require and demand better accomodation like their fortress counterparts, if a long term resident on your site was to come into a inheritance of a site for instance, their requirements would be upgraded with the new title.

This would of course mean anybody else's requirements would need to be met depending on who they are in the civilization, but if you meet their demands, im sure a external civ's noble like a site lord or even monarch-in-waiting, could go up to the mayor/baron (whom relevant) and petition to add their lands to yours as a vassal.

Vassal States and leaders

The political term of 'vassal' is already in the game, though i have yet to see it in natural play. But the civ in question in terms of the suggestion would be like hillocks that form around yourself, connected and controlled by you yet function via your puppet ruler independently of the civ, trading with you where relevant and participating in your wars, their wars will also be your wars however since you've overtook responsibility of their affairs.

  • The vassal lord you have on site as a additional baron or monarch level lord has demands and room requirements but no mandates, and as long as they're sitting the vassalship over the new vassal holdings stays. Until the agreement is terminated by expelling the vassal lord, or the civ is routed and razed, on the vassal lord's death a newly appointed from the vassal's site lord is brought to your fortress.
  • As long as you like picky and demanding lords and have a competent army, you can have a unlimited amount of puppet leader vassals living on site if you wanted to command over everything. Sending [RULES_FROM_SITE] to you, including elf queens, human lawmakers, other dwarven civ positions & goblin leaders. Population wise these are counted as visitors
  • Requesting via a raid with force that a state becomes a vassal when successful will send the newly appointed puppet-leader over to your site directly. Forcing or asking sites to become a vassal is quite a extreme step over something else like asking for tribute, though a very weak site looking for protection might accept both.


Uses for Vassal States

- Helpful coincidental benefit to accepting visitors if they inherit (or your citizens do), with no prior geneological research serving as a pleasant suprise, or a slight inconvenience on more challenging embarks.

- Politically this may happen in world generation, tying two civilizations together without means of a war and splitting apart and away again when rebellions happen or internal disputes.

- This suggestion would allow people in vanilla DF to bring goblins to heel, defeating and subjugating a small civilization of them into a personal army that will also partake in your wars as well as any trading benefits that can be gained in exchange for hosting a master/tower lord on site.

- Station troops in your vassal's lands to provide them more protection, and recieve help from vassal's forces coming in to relieve sieges or have their own army controllers attack sites on your behalf like the parent civ's involvement.
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Dorsidwarf

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Re: Visitor- Lords require rooms before vassalship
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 11:13:24 am »

So under this system, visitors/residents who inherit land elsewhere cause the land to bassalise to you? Surely the resident would just leave to take control of her new lordship? (Unless she really liked the fort and had strong ties to someone in the fort who was unwilling to leave with her that is)
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FantasticDorf

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Re: Visitor- Lords require rooms before vassalship
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2019, 03:20:15 am »

Yes sort of, only ones who are immediately under your 'control' in residency though. Like you detail, strangers just mingling in the bar would return off site unless they actively 'wanted' to economically link their site in such a way.
  • You can extend this to random dwarf citizens in your fortress inheriting baron titles, when such a thing happens they themselves become a vassal lord occupation - job citizen until the title is lost, and a instant assimilation of the rest of the civ if your fortress has a new monarch inherited of one of its citizens. Due to the fact all barons etc are subordinates of the monarch.
Just to clarify, vassal lords only apply in the terms of nobles outside of your own structure, like the monarch example if they are already somewhere up the chain of your own noble structure relevant to your fortress, you wouldn't need to do anything yourself since they already rule, and then some.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2019, 03:22:33 am by FantasticDorf »
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