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[voliol]

Are you familiar with Diggy Diggy Hole, the very dwarfy song by the Yogscast? I translated it! I'm not completely satisfied, as a few lines feel a bit awkward, but overall I am happy with the result. Here it is! Sing it in the shower! Its Dwarven name is Osaleshim - the song of freedom (literally "singing freedom").

This is wonderful! Let's set it to music.

For that we need to establish the sounds of certain letters, but it is definitely doable!

One sound I propose is that C has the sound of /t∫/ (aka the sound of ch in church or the sound of C in Italian Cesare). The vowels will be the more complicated part because each should be distinct (since they actually differentiate words)

Loam's posts could/should be used as the foundation for this. (link 1|link 2)

It would be nice to see a voice synthesizer reading dwarven at some point; it might actually make it easier with the vowels as finding a singer able to pronounce that many (possibly tonal) vowels might be difficult on an English-based forum.

[VABritto]

I agree entirely. I agree with him that C should be a fricative like ch. I also agree that ng is actually one thing (maybe something like Spanish ñ, Portuguese nh or French and Italian gn). I also support the theory that å is actually ü because it maintains the symmetry of the vowels.

I'd actually suggest he could attempt a suggestion of what the vowels could represent. He said he couldn't know for sure but if anyone is qualified to give a guess it is him

[Solitarian]

This is wonderful! Let's set it to music.

This music already exists.
Here is the original song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWz0qVvBZ0
Here is an 8-bit instrumental version which I very much enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vB5l6Dths4
Here is a piano version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfl6DlLfP74

I don't know (or care, really) about the phonetics of Dwarven, so I'll leave that to you! Depending on the phonetics that are ultimately chosen, the song might need to be changed so that syllables and music match.

[VABritto]

Current version of the Annals:

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ÎDTHÎKUT ULTÈRZEFON'ÜB

Hav-udiz Zunarkimosor. Dogosor kab-udiz'ver Emosor 'Tetóthfikod' lok Sitalosor 'Sazir Arist' lok Irolosor 'Urvad Ked lok Migrurmonom lok Timnärducim' lok Lalosor 'Mafol Gesis lok Titthalaban'. Tangthîkut var-udiz Îdthîkut Ultèrzefon'üb 'Onolbom-longTitthalaban' Ashok'ar-longTorishselor-longEtur Ûthirlolor Etar lok Ultèrzefondôbar Ashok'ishob-longSolon Orsistiden Ärged-longMelbil Etar 'Madir lok Adrïth-longEtur'.

Nirtîd. Eturnirtîd. Etur Ûthirlolor Ärged-longNabasdan 'Daros lok Nadakavum' dôbar-geth Ineth Ultèrzefon Solam'esh-longEtur Laladek'ag-longShámmanonol musar-udiz'ver Raz Ograd'ol. Etur kab-geth'ver Etar-longOsor Titthalaban Etar-longKalur'esh Ultèrzefon'ok lok Dastot 'Aral' Asteshseng sin-geth'ver Etar'ud Nirtïlulsaràm-longUltèrzefon gat Ïlulsaràm abod-geth'ver Îdlushôn'ok Etäg'ud 'Onsmost Egulsavot Lisigzatthud'. Îton 'Aral' Etarshorast sin-geth'ver Etar'ud Gärem'ol-longOsor. Gärem nóton-geth'ver Gätizeznirîd Inethdôbar'avor. Etur Etar hav-geth Åtizez-nobîd ud Etur ver-geth Etar. Inenbom Adilshalig dôbar-geth'ver Led 'Aral' Ïngizudil'ud 'Ùdôbar Ïngiz Thedak'. Saràm nikot-geth Ôtthat'urt-longEtur Etar mit Gidur-longKironïlulsaràm dural-geth'ver.

Nobtîd. Eturnobtîd. Olin 'Udos' Becorlikot 'Ùdôbar Likot Thedak' ver-geth Nobtïlulsaràm-longUltèrzefon. Ïlulsaràm var-geth Thimshur-longÎton Etarshorast Gärem 'Ùdôbar Etar Thedak' lok Ïlulsaràm nóton-geth'ver fimizez-nobîd Inethdôbar'avor. Semortilat-longDan aban-udiz Etarlikot Meden. Etur Etar thimshur-geth Edëm Adildostob 'Ùdôbar Adil Thedak'. Semordan aban-udiz Adillolor Meden. Led Ïngizudil Saràm-longAdilshalig thimshur-geth Monom 'Udos' Oshoshrîsen 'Ùdôbar Rîsen Thedak'. Semordan aban-udiz Ïngizrîsen Meden.

Meztîd. Eturmeztîd. Sigun Mebzuthrigòth Ärged-longEtur nóton-geth'ver 'Ùdôbar Rigòth Thedak'. Inenbom Amemcatten dôbar-geth'ver Tosid 'Udos' Zozstukos'ud 'Ùdôbar Stukos Thedak'. Etur ôtthat-geth Mikdôbar-longAmemcatten mit Solam fazís-shoveth Nóton-longUtharäd-longEtar.

Translation:

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ANNALS OF ULTÈRZEFON

There are Seven Kingdoms of the Dwarves. Those are the eastern kingdom of Tetóthfikod, the western kingdom of Sazir Arist, the northern kingdoms of Urvad Ked, Migrurmonom and Timnärducim, and the southern kingdoms of Mafol Gesis and Titthalaban. These are the Annals of Ultèrzefon, Capital of Titthalaban, from the coronation of King Etur Ûthirlolor and the founding of Ultèrzefon to the times of King Solon Orsistiden Melbil's son, his descendent and heir:

An. I. Etur I. Etur Ûthirlolor, son of the divine couple Daros and Nadakavum, founded the city of Ultèrzefon with his people on the southern side of the mountain range known as the Teeth of Reason. Etur was declared King of the Kingdom of Titthalaban with his seat at Ultèrzefon and Mrs. Dastot Asteshseng was chosen by the King as its first Lady Mayor until she was struck down in the end of the year by the giant Onsmost Controlstands the Judge of Berries. Mrs. Îton Etarshorast was chosen by the King as the Kingdom's General. She was born 61 years before the founding of the City. King Etur was 82 years old when he became King. The Hillocks of Adilshalig were founded by Mrs. Led Ïngizudil, founder of Clan Ïngiz, under the orders of King Etur to honor the memory of the late Lady Mayor.

An. II. Etur II. Mr. Olin Becorlikot, founder of Clan Likot, became the IInd Lord Mayor of Ultèrzefon. He was the husband of General Îton Etarshorast, founder of Clan Etar and was born 52 years before the founding of the City [of Ultèrzefon]. Together their descendents form the Etarlikot tribe. King Etur married Edëm Adildostob, founder of Clan Adil. Together they form the Adillolor tribe. Mayor Led Ïngizudil of Adilshalig married Mr. Monom Oshoshrîsen, founder of Clan Rîsen. Together they form the Ïngizrîsen tribe.

An. III. Etur III. Sigun Mebzuthrigòth Etur's son was born, founder of the Eturian Clan Rigòth. The Hillocks of Amemcatten were founded by Mr. Tosid Zozstukos, founder of the Stukos Clan. The King ordered its founding to commemorate the birth of his firstborn son.

Vocabulary:

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Aban - Aban means construct, but I am using it as a verb here to construct or form. It would be the word to form when related to something that is formed by seperate pieces.
Thimshur - I'm using this for a generic word for husband and wife (they can specify it more when needed by saying Udos and Aral). As a verb I am using it for to marry.
Utharäd - Äd means boy or son in the shortened system. Uthar means 'first'. But Nirt also means first! So I imagined "when can Uthar be used?" I imagined it can be an archaic word for First that is used mostly in certain expressions. It can be the word for Duke (Like German Fürst) and it can also be an element of the word "Firstborn son/daughter" Utharäd/Utharsuth. I imagine it is a more poetic word. Most people would just say "Ärged Nirtnóton" Firstborn Son. This keeps in line with the whole short phrases = poetic while long phrases = crude and popular.

[VABritto]

I have created the first Dwarven puns and wisdom phrases:

Asdob hav-udiz Etägsaràmeshon zis Eshom

There is no greater good (Eshon) than silence (Eshom)

Dural-longArkim var-udiz Durad-longArkim

A dwarf's honor is his beard

Durad lok Dural duthnur-udiz'ver Dur'esh

Beard and Honor are guarded with [one's] fist

Etest-longEtar var-udiz miketar

The King's duty is to reign (I know there is a word for reign, but the language is flexible so people can actually use the word king for to reign)

[VABritto]

Added E to the dictionary

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173289.msg8005094#msg8005094

[Solitarian]

I love your enthusiasm!

Those sayings seem good to me, though I don't quite understand the first one.

Asdob hav-udiz Etägsaràmeshon Eshom'osh
nothing has biggreatgood beside silence

Your attempt here illustrates an interesting point that I had not considered; Dwarven has no "than" used in comparative phrases like in English. That's a conjunction (and an important one), so I can easily add it to the lexicon. I hereby add the conjunction "zis". So your phrase should now be: Asdob hav-udiz Etagsaràmeshon zis Eshom, nothing has greater good than silence.

The last saying using "etar" as a verb is interesting. We could do that in English too, I guess. Charles II. did not king well, i.e. he did not fulfill the duties of a king satisfactorily (This is not a denunciation of Charles II. He is just the first monarch who came to my mind when I sought an example). I wonder if that usage of etar is not clear enough, though. I could read that as "A king's duty is a king". Perhaps you should use that mik- prefix? Etest-longEtar var-udiz Miketar, the duty of a king is kingship / the state of being a king / doing kingy stuff.

[VABritto]

I edited it to reflect that!

I am adding words to the dictionary and I keep stumbling upon interesting puns so I felt like making phrases with them lol

Do you see any problem in the Annals?

[Solitarian]

The annals look very good. The only part which seems a little odd to me is Semortilat-longDan aban-udiz Etarlikot Meden. Semortilat = child union. I see what you mean, but to me that suggests their children became incestuously married or something like that! Also, that use of "aban" makes sense, though I think of that being used more in the sense of structures. I suppose the tribe could be metaphorically considered a structure that is "built", so maybe aban does make sense here. Semordan seems redundant to me. You could just say semor or dan to refer to the married couple, right? They are a union and they are a couple. United couple just repeats that, but it is a very minor point.

Other than those tiny things, the annals are great, I think.

[Pvt. Pirate]

This is wonderful! Let's set it to music.

This music already exists.
Here is the original song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWz0qVvBZ0
Here is an 8-bit instrumental version which I very much enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vB5l6Dths4
Here is a piano version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfl6DlLfP74

I don't know (or care, really) about the phonetics of Dwarven, so I'll leave that to you! Depending on the phonetics that are ultimately chosen, the song might need to be changed so that syllables and music match.

listening to it again with tears of pride - definitely want it in dorfen language, like the songs of Simon Swerwer https://www.youtube.com/user/simonswerwer which i can sing along while playing DF.

[VABritto]

The annals look very good. The only part which seems a little odd to me is Semortilat-longDan aban-udiz Etarlikot Meden. Semortilat = child union. I see what you mean, but to me that suggests their children became incestuously married or something like that! Also, that use of "aban" makes sense, though I think of that being used more in the sense of structures. I suppose the tribe could be metaphorically considered a structure that is "built", so maybe aban does make sense here. Semordan seems redundant to me. You could just say semor or dan to refer to the married couple, right? They are a union and they are a couple. United couple just repeats that, but it is a very minor point.

Other than those tiny things, the annals are great, I think.

Child Union would be Tilatsemor. Semortilat means United children (the adjective is semor). In Semordan I am using Semor as an adjective for 'together', to emphasis that they as a unit form this. But in the case of Semordan it is truly rather repetitive so I will change to Dan.

Current version of the Annals:

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ÎDTHÎKUT ULTÈRZEFON'ÜB

Hav-udiz Zunarkimosor. Dogosor kab-udiz'ver Emosor 'Tetóthfikod' lok Sitalosor 'Sazir Arist' lok Irolosor 'Urvad Ked lok Migrurmonom lok Timnärducim' lok Lalosor 'Mafol Gesis lok Titthalaban'. Tangthîkut var-udiz Îdthîkut Ultèrzefon'üb 'Onolbom-longTitthalaban' Ashok'ar-longTorishselor-longEtur Ûthirlolor Etar lok Ultèrzefondôbar Ashok'ishob-longSolon Orsistiden Ärged-longMelbil Etar 'Madir lok Adrïth-longEtur'.

Nirtîd. Eturnirtîd. Etur Ûthirlolor Ärged-longNabasdan 'Daros lok Nadakavum' dôbar-geth Ineth Ultèrzefon Solam'esh-longEtur Laladek'ag-longShámmanonol musar-udiz'ver Raz Ograd'ol. Etur kab-geth'ver Etar-longOsor Titthalaban Etar-longKalur'esh Ultèrzefon'ok lok Dastot 'Aral' Asteshseng sin-geth'ver Etar'ud Nirtïlulsaràm-longUltèrzefon gat Ïlulsaràm abod-geth'ver Îdlushôn'ok Etäg'ud 'Onsmost Egulsavot Lisigzatthud'. Îton 'Aral' Etarshorast sin-geth'ver Etar'ud Gärem'ol-longOsor. Gärem nóton-geth'ver Gätizeznirîd Inethdôbar'avor. Etur Etar hav-geth Åtizez-nobîd ud Etur ver-geth Etar. Inenbom Adilshalig dôbar-geth'ver Led 'Aral' Ïngizudil'ud 'Ùdôbar Ïngiz Thedak'. Saràm nikot-geth Ôtthat'urt-longEtur Etar mit Gidur-longKironïlulsaràm dural-geth'ver.

Nobtîd. Eturnobtîd. Olin 'Udos' Becorlikot 'Ùdôbar Likot Thedak' ver-geth Nobtïlulsaràm-longUltèrzefon. Ïlulsaràm var-geth Thimshur-longÎton Etarshorast Gärem 'Ùdôbar Etar Thedak' lok Ïlulsaràm nóton-geth'ver fimizez-nobîd Inethdôbar'avor. Semortilat-longDan aban-udiz Etarlikot Meden. Etur Etar thimshur-geth Edëm Adildostob 'Ùdôbar Adil Thedak'. Dan aban-udiz Adillolor Meden. Led Ïngizudil Saràm-longAdilshalig thimshur-geth Monom 'Udos' Oshoshrîsen 'Ùdôbar Rîsen Thedak'. Semordan aban-udiz Ïngizrîsen Meden.

Meztîd. Eturmeztîd. Sigun Mebzuthrigòth Ärged-longEtur nóton-geth'ver 'Ùdôbar Rigòth Thedak'. Inenbom Amemcatten dôbar-geth'ver Tosid 'Udos' Zozstukos'ud 'Ùdôbar Stukos Thedak'. Etur ôtthat-geth Mikdôbar-longAmemcatten mit Solam fazís-shoveth Nóton-longUtharäd-longEtar.

Translation:

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ANNALS OF ULTÈRZEFON

There are Seven Kingdoms of the Dwarves. Those are the eastern kingdom of Tetóthfikod, the western kingdom of Sazir Arist, the northern kingdoms of Urvad Ked, Migrurmonom and Timnärducim, and the southern kingdoms of Mafol Gesis and Titthalaban. These are the Annals of Ultèrzefon, Capital of Titthalaban, from the coronation of King Etur Ûthirlolor and the founding of Ultèrzefon to the times of King Solon Orsistiden Melbil's son, his descendent and heir:

An. I. Etur I. Etur Ûthirlolor, son of the divine couple Daros and Nadakavum, founded the city of Ultèrzefon with his people on the southern side of the mountain range known as the Teeth of Reason. Etur was declared King of the Kingdom of Titthalaban with his seat at Ultèrzefon and Mrs. Dastot Asteshseng was chosen by the King as its first Lady Mayor until she was struck down in the end of the year by the giant Onsmost Controlstands the Judge of Berries. Mrs. Îton Etarshorast was chosen by the King as the Kingdom's General. She was born 61 years before the founding of the City. King Etur was 82 years old when he became King. The Hillocks of Adilshalig were founded by Mrs. Led Ïngizudil, founder of Clan Ïngiz, under the orders of King Etur to honor the memory of the late Lady Mayor.

An. II. Etur II. Mr. Olin Becorlikot, founder of Clan Likot, became the IInd Lord Mayor of Ultèrzefon. He was the husband of General Îton Etarshorast, founder of Clan Etar and was born 52 years before the founding of the City [of Ultèrzefon]. Together their descendents form the Etarlikot tribe. King Etur married Edëm Adildostob, founder of Clan Adil. Together they form the Adillolor tribe. Mayor Led Ïngizudil of Adilshalig married Mr. Monom Oshoshrîsen, founder of Clan Rîsen. Together they form the Ïngizrîsen tribe.

An. III. Etur III. Sigun Mebzuthrigòth Etur's son was born, founder of the Eturian Clan Rigòth. The Hillocks of Amemcatten were founded by Mr. Tosid Zozstukos, founder of the Stukos Clan. The King ordered its founding to commemorate the birth of his firstborn son.

Also, I added F and G to the dictionary:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173289.msg8005094#msg8005094

[Solitarian]

listening to it again with tears of pride - definitely want it in dorfen language, like the songs of Simon Swerwer https://www.youtube.com/user/simonswerwer which i can sing along while playing DF.

Oh yeah, I recognize those from SoundSense! I suppose I could work on "translating" those into my Dwarven grammar, but they already use DF's lexicon, so I think I can leave them as they are. Did you try to say my translation of Diggy Diggy Hole along with the music? I want the syllables and rhyme scheme to match. It works for me, but a few lines aren't great when I say them and I was wondering if other people had similar difficulties.

Now I see, VABritto. I misunderstood semor and didn't see it as an adjective. If you want to use that to emphasize the union in semordan, then I think that's fine. The repetition isn't incorrect per se just because I prefer to avoid it. If you like it, then use it! Otherwise the annals make sense to me.

[VABritto]

listening to it again with tears of pride - definitely want it in dorfen language, like the songs of Simon Swerwer https://www.youtube.com/user/simonswerwer which i can sing along while playing DF.

Oh yeah, I recognize those from SoundSense! I suppose I could work on "translating" those into my Dwarven grammar, but they already use DF's lexicon, so I think I can leave them as they are. Did you try to say my translation of Diggy Diggy Hole along with the music? I want the syllables and rhyme scheme to match. It works for me, but a few lines aren't great when I say them and I was wondering if other people had similar difficulties.

Now I see, VABritto. I misunderstood semor and didn't see it as an adjective. If you want to use that to emphasize the union in semordan, then I think that's fine. The repetition isn't incorrect per se just because I prefer to avoid it. If you like it, then use it! Otherwise the annals make sense to me.

I imagine people would definitely say Semordan but it would probably be seen as a sign of unrefinement. It is repetitive. Proper high class dwarfish (at least in Ultèrzefon) is concise and economic. So I still think you are right and it should just be Dan. It keeps it concise.

Also, I just defined the Letter order in my dwarven dictionary. It is A B D E F G I K C L M N NG O R S SH T TH U V Z Â Á À Ä Ê É È Ë Î Í Ì Ï Ô Ó Ò Ö Û Ú Ù Å.

I am considering Å = Ü (as suggested by Loam in his first post). I am also placing altered sounds together. So T is besides Th and S is besides Sh. I also am considering as if C = Ch (as suggested by Loam). I am also considering Ng its own thing

[VABritto]

Finished letter I in the dictionary:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173289.msg8005094#msg8005094

[Pvt. Pirate]

listening to it again with tears of pride - definitely want it in dorfen language, like the songs of Simon Swerwer https://www.youtube.com/user/simonswerwer which i can sing along while playing DF.

Oh yeah, I recognize those from SoundSense! I suppose I could work on "translating" those into my Dwarven grammar, but they already use DF's lexicon, so I think I can leave them as they are. Did you try to say my translation of Diggy Diggy Hole along with the music? I want the syllables and rhyme scheme to match. It works for me, but a few lines aren't great when I say them and I was wondering if other people had similar difficulties.

Now I see, VABritto. I misunderstood semor and didn't see it as an adjective. If you want to use that to emphasize the union in semordan, then I think that's fine. The repetition isn't incorrect per se just because I prefer to avoid it. If you like it, then use it! Otherwise the annals make sense to me.

i actually don't understand how i could've scrolled past it.