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AllHailTheMonolith

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Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« on: March 06, 2019, 10:00:16 am »

And if he can't, what’s the smallest size of a creature that can.
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Castlecliff

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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2019, 05:18:49 pm »

Welcome.
Swan men are smaller. I believe some humans with certain body types can actually wear dwarf armor though I don't know the actual races that can for sure.
You could make a fort to fit strange races with armor.
Im sure others will chime in with advice... right guys
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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2019, 05:48:12 pm »

Welcome.
Swan men are smaller. I believe some humans with certain body types can actually wear dwarf armor though I don't know the actual races that can for sure.
You could make a fort to fit strange races with armor.
Im sure others will chime in with advice... right guys
Is it boar-men? Seem to recall that from somewhere.
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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2019, 07:25:55 pm »

Wild boar men are actually larger than dwarfs, they wear human sizes.

My calculations say the smallest sentient to wear dwarf should be the emu man, at standard adult size of 52,500.
(The formula is +/- 1/7; dwarfs' size 60,000 is exactly 8/7 of emu men.)
« Last Edit: March 06, 2019, 07:29:18 pm by mightymushroom »
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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 01:54:35 pm »

jaguar men can wear both dwarf and human armor

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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2019, 02:03:22 pm »

Pretty sure it's cougar men that wear both. I think jaguar men are larger than either dwarves or humans, though I could be wrong on that.
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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2019, 05:39:36 pm »

I believe the armour is made for a specific size, and creatures can wear armour made for ±1/7th of their size. Swan men have a size of 40,000 cm3, so they can't wear dwarf-sized armour.

You can, however, make clothing or armour in a dwarf fortress sized for swan men.
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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2019, 09:40:15 pm »

It's all kind of silly isn't it? A dwarf wearing a helmet shaped to fit emu people...

Hopefully one day in the future this will be looked at in the minute detail it deserves.  :)
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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2019, 10:39:11 pm »

It's all kind of silly isn't it? A dwarf wearing a helmet shaped to fit emu people...

Hopefully one day in the future this will be looked at in the minute detail it deserves.  :)

And vice versa. Emu people can literally wear the legendary artefact-grade special material armour made for your dwarves... as well as wield most of your weapons.

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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2019, 08:45:19 pm »

Wild boar men are actually larger than dwarfs, they wear human sizes.

My calculations say the smallest sentient to wear dwarf should be the emu man, at standard adult size of 52,500.
(The formula is +/- 1/7; dwarfs' size 60,000 is exactly 8/7 of emu men.)
I believe the armour is made for a specific size, and creatures can wear armour made for ±1/7th of their size. Swan men have a size of 40,000 cm3, so they can't wear dwarf-sized armour.

You can, however, make clothing or armour in a dwarf fortress sized for swan men.
I did some size tests a while back and unless it's been changed, the only requirement to wear armor and clothing is for the creature's base size to be within a threshold of 5000 cubic cm, with no regard for the specific individual's body size modifiers.
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Re: Can a swan man wear a dwarf-size armor?
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2019, 12:16:09 pm »

I did some size tests a while back and unless it's been changed, the only requirement to wear armor and clothing is for the creature's base size to be within a threshold of 5000 cubic cm, with no regard for the specific individual's body size modifiers.
±1/7 is intel from the Toad himself.

That means a threshold of ~8571cc for dwarves and 7500cc for emu men. Dwarf armor is at the exact upper bound of what an emu man can wear. However, a dwarf could wear the armor of a hypothetical creature of base size as low as 51,428. It's kind of weird the way larger creatures can wear increasingly smaller stuff.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2019, 12:37:54 pm by Bumber »
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