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Author Topic: Steam/Itch.io tileset - Mayday/Meph - Discussion and Suggestions  (Read 37756 times)

Meph

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Hey guys!

Mike Mayday and me are working on an official DF tileset; we'll be posting sprites and ideas here for you to critique. We are very open to suggestions and if something looks crappy, please let us know. :)
« Last Edit: April 27, 2019, 08:20:00 am by Meph »
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Re: Premium DF tileset - Mayday/Meph - Discussion and Suggestions
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 01:29:55 pm »

I know you know this, but I'll put it here for the thread's record, as I imagine there's plenty of people who won't have seen it before they get here.

The ramps, especially the grassy ones, look bad. They seem to lead down instead of up, and aesthetically they're incredibly geometric, which other naturally occurring things in the tileset are not. This is a consensus as far as I'm aware; I've seen many people voice this opinion and nobody disagree, although I did see one person say he thought the stone ramps were fine. Personally, I think the lighting should be revisited on all of them, but the current stone ramps are good if their adjacent wall is smoothed.
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Re: Premium DF tileset - Mayday/Meph - Discussion and Suggestions
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 01:34:58 pm »

He is talking about the ramps in this mock-up. At the moment they use the same sprites as the grass, with a layer of shading on top.


The mentioned stone ramps are not ramps at all, they are an up-stairs next to a down-stairs.

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Re: Premium DF tileset - Mayday/Meph - Discussion and Suggestions
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 01:45:51 pm »

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 02:12:13 pm »

It looks good, but my brain keeps switching between the ramps going up and the ramps going down.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 02:18:25 pm »

The grass ramps look like their leading to a ditch surrounding the hill to me.
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Re: Premium DF tileset - Mayday/Meph - Discussion and Suggestions
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 02:22:49 pm »

Here an older mock-up with shading. Does that help with brain switching?
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 02:28:37 pm »

Wow, the shading of the older mock-up looks awesome for the rooms, but I think the ramps still look weird. The ponds need also a little bit of shadows inside the banks, so they look more like ponds and less like puddles.

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 02:29:16 pm »

The grass ramps look inverse, i wasn't sure whether i was actually looking down upon the fortress because the rock walls have minimal impact depth in comparison.

I SEE what you did, if i squint with my left eye and tilt my head 15% i can see that it is definitely intentional to what you were doing, but again perhaps some harder border lines would make it more apparent because its optical illusioning all over me line of the actual slope and direction in red and orange.





People are getting caught on the yellow lines here which creates the inverse effect i think for a image of a box and totally detracts from the actual rock wall to the side of it other than a backdrop.



To confuse it almost more, here's the box edges illustrated with blue lines, eventually im going to run out of space and colours to label things but if you align the blue and the yellow its a repeatable pattern that geometrically fits with people who are getting confused about it.

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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 02:34:24 pm »

Ahh, I love those shadows on the walls and the knotwork and the... mmm. This tileset is growing on me.

As for the ramps... well, the shading helps me see what you're trying to do. I can see them as ramps, but I have to kind of squint to see it that way.

Honestly, I don't know how to fix this. Ramps are kind of... weird. They've always been a bit abstract, and I kinda think that's OK... maybe you could just superimpose the traditional triangle things over the more realistic grass tiles?

But that's probably my ASCII grognard talking... hm.

I'll think on it.
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Re: Premium DF tileset - Mayday/Meph - Discussion and Suggestions
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 02:37:03 pm »

Here an older mock-up with shading. Does that help with brain switching?
The rooms look MUCH better with shading. I think the ramps also look better, but the sunny, southern facing ramps should not have that shadow effect because that makes it look like the whole thing is floating in the sky.
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Re: Premium DF tileset - Mayday/Meph - Discussion and Suggestions
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2019, 02:38:34 pm »

Wow, the shading of the older mock-up looks awesome for the rooms, but I think the ramps still look weird. The ponds need also a little bit of shadows inside the banks, so they look more like ponds and less like puddles.
We didn't want to include the shading on Steam, because it's wip. Not coded yet, it's just photoshop magic.

I haven't tried my hand on ramps yet, but to me the design shown was pretty clear. Maybe my brain is just too slow to flip between up/down-ramp all the time.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2019, 02:46:17 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7C318DGB38
Thats why I'm mostly trying making lower parts of layer darker than upper.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2019, 02:48:17 pm »

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2019, 02:50:42 pm »

And inner wall shadowing is too hardcore in my opinion.
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