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[DizzyCrash]

I say the best thing we can do as a community is not be elitist and do our best to help new influx of people fall in love with the game as we all did.
Dont worry about crticisms or impatient users getting worked up, all of that is to be expected. We are the old vanguard and its our responsibility to these people to help them and show them what makes DF so special.

[Immortal-D]

I say the best thing we can do as a community is not be elitist and do our best to help new influx of people fall in love with the game as we all did.
Dont worry about crticisms or impatient users getting worked up, all of that is to be expected. We are the old vanguard and its our responsibility to these people to help them and show them what makes DF so special.

That's fair.  So would it be good or bad to encourage new players that the center of the world contains a fountain of infinite booze? 

[DizzyCrash]

I say the best thing we can do as a community is not be elitist and do our best to help new influx of people fall in love with the game as we all did.
Dont worry about crticisms or impatient users getting worked up, all of that is to be expected. We are the old vanguard and its our responsibility to these people to help them and show them what makes DF so special.

That's fair.  So would it be good or bad to encourage new players that the center of the world contains a fountain of infinite booze? 

Good of course!

[Iduno]

I say the best thing we can do as a community is not be elitist and do our best to help new influx of people fall in love with the game as we all did.
Dont worry about crticisms or impatient users getting worked up, all of that is to be expected. We are the old vanguard and its our responsibility to these people to help them and show them what makes DF so special.

That's fair.  So would it be good or bad to encourage new players that the center of the world contains a fountain of infinite booze? 

That's terrible. Why lie directly, when a lie of omission is less obvious? Tell them there's a way down to more candy below the magma, you just need to dig out enough of the candy to find it.

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I've found that accidentally before by not being careful enough. Sorry again for that, Simple Fortress.

[Meph]

I remember my very first fortress, about 8 years ago, died due to that. I just dug straight down, missed two caverns, hit candy (oh, what's that?) and dug into it.

[Cruxador]

I say the best thing we can do as a community is not be elitist and do our best to help new influx of people fall in love with the game as we all did.
Dont worry about crticisms or impatient users getting worked up, all of that is to be expected. We are the old vanguard and its our responsibility to these people to help them and show them what makes DF so special.

That's how it used to be a decade or more ago, after all, when DF was at the height of taking in new players.

That said, I think the nature of the updates we've been getting is also at fault. There hasn't been anything big and interesting to people only peripherally involved since like the cavern update. Maybe the tavern update, but even things that sound good like activating the world don't mean that much to actual gameplay, and other than that, things that directly impact core fort mode gameplay have been very much on a slow drip. The myth and magic update will (I sure hope) be the kind to get people interested again, but that's going to be years from now.

[PatrikLundell]

I find the DF forum to be rather friendly and civilized. Now, the trick would be to get new players to actually find this site, as it's not referenced from the Steam page.

[Starver]

Some pointers towards here have been made by posters there, specifically to answer what we might term FAQs.

And I'm all aquiver to help people out, if they arrive with their continuingly enquiring minds. (Like "Didn't you mean 'continually', just there?" No, but it's a fine point, and you're a fine person if you considered that.)

[zwei]

I'd just point out that apologism does not help anyone.

You can't just tell people that bad interface is going to be remedied by learning it enough to gain muscle memory.

Because interface is definitelly a mess. If you say otherwise, you are not fooling anyone and are alienating a lot of people.

What should happen instead is helping people overcome their specific problems.

[DG]

I'd just point out that baiting does not help anyone, either.

[zwei]

I'd just point out that baiting does not help anyone, either.

This is not troll attempt. Just stating simple fact that if you meet any criticism with statement that player has to endure it, game is not getting represented well.

[zwei]

I'd just point out that baiting does not help anyone, either.

Not even sure why that would be a baiting.

Community changed a lot in few years.

[DG]

Then I'll expound.

There are people who genuinely don't have a problem with the menu/lists aspects of the interface, because of muscle memory or not, so saying that anyone who might admit to that is only trying to fool people and drive prospective players away could cause offense.

You could have made your point with less unilateral hostility.

[Tinnucorch]

Some people answer to common complaints about DF with a very disregarding attitude (I'm not saying that this has happened in this thread; I have in mind another ones). I don't think there is unilateral hostility in pointing that this happens and that it's not something that should happen in a healthy community.

[Cruxador]

Then I'll expound.

There are people who genuinely don't have a problem with the menu/lists aspects of the interface, because of muscle memory or not, so saying that anyone who might admit to that is only trying to fool people and drive prospective players away could cause offense.

You could have made your point with less unilateral hostility.

Just because you don't have a problem doesn't mean new players also won't, and bringing up that you're fine doesn't change their experience; he's making a valid point.

He also wasn't hostile about it, you're reading things into his post that are, at best, an attempt at a read at his intent; it's not actually in the post itself.