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[PatrikLundell]

... the guiding principle there. The baddie in question cannot be able to path to the top of your grate in order for it to work. If he has a path to the top of your grate, he will be able to destroy it from below. That's the actual function of using TWO grates in the inverted U-bend.

So even if they are below it, if they can path to the top of it somehow, then that fact allows them to destroy it from below?

Yes.

It's a logical relative to dorfs being able to build e.g. walls while standing on ramps or diagonally to the building site only if there's a reachable tile perpendicular to it where they could have stood.

[Iduno]

I've always built them as a large (2-3 z levels, 5x5) cistern a few levels below the actual well, filled by gravity through a tunnel coming from the river sealed by floodgates. Aside from water apparently becoming stagnant after a while, is there a benefit to doing the pump thing?

The cistern is sealed up after digging and before filling, so it should be secure that way (anyone who gets in that way is in a drowning chamber, and would have to climb the well to escape).

[CaptainArchmage]

I've always built them as a large (2-3 z levels, 5x5) cistern a few levels below the actual well, filled by gravity through a tunnel coming from the river sealed by floodgates. Aside from water apparently becoming stagnant after a while, is there a benefit to doing the pump thing?

The cistern is sealed up after digging and before filling, so it should be secure that way (anyone who gets in that way is in a drowning chamber, and would have to climb the well to escape).

It is much easier to control the input to the water channel when a pump is involved. A floodgate may get blocked if you need to shut the thing down, and re-arrangement of the inlet is difficult. Using a drawbridge may avoid the blockage issue (unless a titan or large creature gets in there somehow), but it's still not as great as using a pump.

A pump can be switched off by removing the source of power. Either tell the dwarf pumping to stand down, or pull a lever. Pumps also allow you to build entirely above-ground cisterns and wells.

[Iduno]

I've always built them as a large (2-3 z levels, 5x5) cistern a few levels below the actual well, filled by gravity through a tunnel coming from the river sealed by floodgates. Aside from water apparently becoming stagnant after a while, is there a benefit to doing the pump thing?

The cistern is sealed up after digging and before filling, so it should be secure that way (anyone who gets in that way is in a drowning chamber, and would have to climb the well to escape).

It is much easier to control the input to the water channel when a pump is involved. A floodgate may get blocked if you need to shut the thing down, and re-arrangement of the inlet is difficult. Using a drawbridge may avoid the blockage issue (unless a titan or large creature gets in there somehow), but it's still not as great as using a pump.

Makes sense.

A pump can be switched off by removing the source of power. Either tell the dwarf pumping to stand down, or pull a lever. Pumps also allow you to build entirely above-ground cisterns and wells.

Here's where you lost me: Are you aware above ground is synonymous with "outdoors" or "where the sun lives"?

[Dunamisdeos]

I use drawbridges.

Managing power was never fun for me, but that's just me. I like building control rooms with levers now that you can label them.

[anewaname]

A pump can be switched off by removing the source of power. Either tell the dwarf pumping to stand down, or pull a lever. Pumps also allow you to build entirely above-ground cisterns and wells.

Here's where you lost me: Are you aware above ground is synonymous with "outdoors" or "where the sun lives"?

If you want to fill that above ground cistern so water can spew out of your 20z statue of a vomiting dwarf, it is either pumps or buckets.