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Author Topic: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen  (Read 3132 times)

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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2020, 10:55:00 pm »

Fighting while backing up is pretty common in VT2. On the higher difficulties the hordes are large, dense and each guy has more HP. They turn into walls you can't break through consistently, or like some kind of tide....so you have to retreat as you fight until enough have been slain you can start making headway. So it didn't strike me as weird, it was just "yep, that looks like Vermintide combat." Even the hammer the Zealot uses in the video, its attacks are a carbon copy of the 2 handed hammer in VT2.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2020, 07:55:39 am »

That's how I've always had to do it in the Left4Dead-likes (including Vermintide) and that's the reason I don't like it.

Hell even Mount & Blade footpad combat is like that and that's the reason I always play mounted. It's just so completely undignified. I wish a game where you have to do that could decently capture the feeling of slowly retreating with my face to the enemy rather than panickedly running blind with my back towards where I'm stepping.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2020, 08:09:33 am »

idk I got a nice doom eternal feel from the combat presented. we know jack shit of the balance tho, this kind of videos are usually captured with god mode on or the closest scripted equivalent.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2020, 09:35:41 am »

I saw playable ogryn and I wishlisted.

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I sadly have never gotten around to playing VT2 yet (I have it, just haven't played), but I spent a fair amount of time screaming at violently spinning rat-ogres in the first Vermintide. I expect Fatshark will completely beans up the first several public builds of this new -tide, with incredibly sketchy gameplay and violent crashes.

And I'll still buy and play the thing, because I'm still going to enjoy myself.

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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2020, 06:47:48 pm »

That's how I've always had to do it in the Left4Dead-likes (including Vermintide) and that's the reason I don't like it.

Hell even Mount & Blade footpad combat is like that and that's the reason I always play mounted. It's just so completely undignified. I wish a game where you have to do that could decently capture the feeling of slowly retreating with my face to the enemy rather than panickedly running blind with my back towards where I'm stepping.

Mount and Blade is also bad for it yes.  It's a weird thing and I'm particular about it, but I guess it does seem like it bothers other people, but a lot of video games that use large numbers of enemies have AI that's basically zombies, and you get what should be intelligent opponents just moving in a coherent mass towards you and you have to backpedal while shooting or meleeing them to avoid getting swarmed.  I can sort of get past it if it's actually zombies, but a lot of times I find it annoying and it takes me out of the game.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2020, 11:02:23 pm »

To be fair in Vermintide its mostly disposable skaven.

This time around it looks like, crazy chaos cultists? Not sure how smart they're supposed to be.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2020, 12:35:22 am »

That's how I've always had to do it in the Left4Dead-likes (including Vermintide) and that's the reason I don't like it.

Hell even Mount & Blade footpad combat is like that and that's the reason I always play mounted. It's just so completely undignified. I wish a game where you have to do that could decently capture the feeling of slowly retreating with my face to the enemy rather than panickedly running blind with my back towards where I'm stepping.

Mount and Blade is also bad for it yes.  It's a weird thing and I'm particular about it, but I guess it does seem like it bothers other people, but a lot of video games that use large numbers of enemies have AI that's basically zombies, and you get what should be intelligent opponents just moving in a coherent mass towards you and you have to backpedal while shooting or meleeing them to avoid getting swarmed.  I can sort of get past it if it's actually zombies, but a lot of times I find it annoying and it takes me out of the game.

In VT2, enemies actively move to surround you if you let them.  But that is mostly due to the slotting system.  Either way, you learn to at least glance around you while giving space.  Situational awareness drastically increases survival chances.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2020, 01:05:47 am »

It will also spawn additional guys behind you, if not in and around spawn points around or above you, then just directly in behind you. It tries to breed paranoia about not checking your 6 every few seconds, and penalizes groups that don't cover each other by sending one or two guys at your blind spots fairly frequently. Back is usually the safest direction to move so you're constantly relocating all your opponents to where you can pay attention to them.

I hope the Ogryn has other melee options than just a knife. While it may be effectively a sword, it'd be nice to wield stupidly big weapons much like the enemies you face in VT2 get to wield against you.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2020, 06:11:04 am »

it'd be nice to wield stupidly big weapons much like the enemies you face

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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2020, 11:10:26 am »

I expect a mix of weapons will be normal for most of the characters. After all, there is a pretty big variety of weapons for all the characters in VT.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2020, 02:53:52 pm »

I want a game that blows my arm off when i fire a plasma gun.
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Re: Darktide. Yes, 40k fans, you finally get to play an Imperial Guardsmen
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2020, 03:09:23 pm »

Seems like you'd only be able to play that game twice.
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