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[King Zultan]

I forgot about that, lets give them all farm carts.

[Aseaheru]

 Howmany units of farm carts would you like each to have?

 As a note, a unit is not limited to eight pieces of equipment, each piece of equipment has eight levels of existing, discounting "nonexistant".

[King Zultan]

Lets give each army three farm carts.

Sense I can give more than eight things I think I should give the guys with the CSRG 1915 & 1917's a handgun.
FOotSM Army 1: 7 M1917, 1 CSRG 1915, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 2: 3 P14, 4 Mannlicher M1893, 1 CSRG 1915, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 3: 5 Mannlicher M1893, 2 Type 30 rifle, and 1 CSRG 1915, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 5: 7 Type 30 rifle, 1 CSRG 1915, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 6: 7 Mannlicher–Schönauer, 1 CSRG 1917, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 7: 7 Mannlicher–Schönauer, 1 CSRG 1917, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898

[Aseaheru]

 So, fer total stuff:

FOotSM Army 1: 7 M1917, 1 CSRG 1915, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 2: 3 P14, 4 Mannlicher M1893, 1 CSRG 1915, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 3: 5 Mannlicher M1893, 2 Type 30 rifle, and 1 CSRG 1915, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 5: 7 Type 30 rifle, 1 CSRG 1915, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 6: 7 Mannlicher–Schönauer, 1 CSRG 1917, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898
FOotSM Army 7: 7 Mannlicher–Schönauer, 1 CSRG 1917, 1 Rast & Gasser M1898

7 M1917's and 1 CSRG 1915.
All armies have three wagons
Forts in: Neu Salsburg in the west around the workshop and more fortification at the port, and one at Pecs north where the third army is.
Slipways working on unarmed drifters, workshops on Rast&Gasser M1898s.
6 tokens for revise-revision
 CSRG 1917
 M1917
 Schwarzlose machine gun
 M. 14 Feldhaubitze two-part
 SK L/35
 M15 Stielhandgranate

Am I missing anything?

[King Zultan]

Looks good for me, sorry if I'm holding things up.

[Aseaheru]

 Slipway #2 is tooshort to construct drifters. Would you like to construct trawlers instead?

 Also, nah, you aint holding things up. Yet.

[coleslaw35]

I'll throw my hat into the ring for this frat. Hopefully there's beer pong on weekends.

Anywho, I'm not *quite* sure if I understand equipment assignments. Does 1 "unit" of a weapon mean that it is equipped, as put in the Logistics spoiler in the core thread, on the divisional level? Meaning, there are very, very few in each army? Would it also follow that 8 "units" of a weapon in an army means it is standard issue? Then, to go one step further, would that mean that assigning only 7 "units" of a weapon means that the weapon is only available on the Fireteam Level? If that's the case, we may need to assign an extra unit of rifles so that it's available to every rifleman in each army.

Also, I would suggest we get serious about improving our logistical capabilities so that we can get our stocks of light and medium mgs out into the field without fear of going over our supply limit. Perhaps some sort of expedition into the old world for automobile parts/examples in order to get a head start in vehicles is in order? Otherwise, we could just pump out more carts so that we can make our armies a bit beefier.

Also, as a sidenote, might I suggest a reformatting of the Deployment and Knowledge spoiler to be a bit more readable? Such as this way:

I know it's much longer, but it's also much more easily readable, in my opinion at least. Entirely up to you

Spoiler: Deployment and Knowledge (click to show/hide)

Sectors consist of:
 North Island
     Low hills
     Low mountain
 Neu Salsburg Bay Island
     Bay Island Fort [Government Remnants]
 West Isle
     Sand Dunes
     Low Mountains
     Wooded hills
 Neu Salsburg
     East (workshop, railway) [PS Army 1]
     West (Workshop, railway) [FOotSM Army 1]
     Port (200m slipway, 50m slipway, railway, major river) [FOotSM Army 2]
     The Castle (Fort)
     North (steel foundry, railway, powerstation)
Sellye
     north [FOotSM Army 4]
     south [PS Army 3]
     Industrial (Blackband iron mine/processing, Workshop, railway)
 Pecs
     north[FOotSM Army 3]
     west[PS Army 4]
     port(2x125m slipway, sawmill, railway) [PS Army 2]
     Pecs Fort[Government Remnants]
 Berek
     west [FOotSM Army 6]
     south [PS Army 6]
     Industrial area (Bornite mine/processing, workshop, railway)
 Cigand
     port (railway, major river{waterfall})
     north [FOotSM Army 5]
     south [PS Army 5]
 Southern Swamps
     managed forest
     bauxite quarry(railway)
     undeveloped swamps
     undeveloped forest
     mixed forest/farmlands
 Northern Swamps
     Undeveloped swamps
     farms
     farms(railway, major river)
     horse ranch
     Dolomite Quarry(railway, major river)
 North Forest
     Undeveloped forest
     undeveloped forest
     farms(railway)
     managed forest(railway)
 Central Forest
     Undeveloped forest [PS Army 7]
     undeveloped forest [FOotSM Army 7]
     Neu Salsburg Rail Depot(railway)
     mixed forest/farmland{railway)
 South-West Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 West Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains(railway)
 Central Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains(railway, major river)
     mountains(railway, major river)
     mountains(railway, lake)
South-east Mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 North-east mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 Northern mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains

[Aseaheru]

 One unit of equipment means it is added to one level, yes. So seven does indeed make it fireteam equipment. There is no penalty for not having an item issued to all troops, it simply means there is a x7 modifier to the item instead of a x8.

 I am indeed going to steal that deployment and knowledge setup.

[Aseaheru]

Summer, 1921, ABC Phase

 Work has begun to further the Order's goals. Fortification efforts have started and resources have been allocated towards improving our equipment. Army 4 has been selected for an expedition, with the former SMS Aspern detailed to support them.
 
 In Neu Salsburg, fortification efforts have resulted in what are described as level 2 fortifications, with a projected construction end early in winter.
 The port fortifications have been upset by issues, mostly at the planning stage. Scarcly more than improved field fortifications, the labor forces assigned have reported that any future work on them would "have bonus dice assigned".
 In Pecs, fortifications are expected to complete in early winter. Unfortunately, they are of the same level of quality as the fortifications in the capital, i.e. scarcely better than improved field works.
 A lack of wagons means that Army 7 only has wagons at a divisional level, not battalion.

Welcome to the Design & Revision phase
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Spoiler: Units & Similar Important Gubbins (click to show/hide)

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1915 Autorifle
-Rast & Gasser M1898 Revolver
Regimental Equipment
Battalion Equipment
-Wagons
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
Fireteam Equipment
-M1917 Rifle
Standard Issue Equipment

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
27(30)

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1915 Autorifle
-Rast & Gasser M1898 Revolver
Regimental Equipment
Battalion Equipment
-Wagons
-P14 Rifle
Company Equipment
-Mannlicher M1893 Rifle
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
27(30)

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1915 Autorifle
-Rast & Gasser M1898 Revolver
Regimental Equipment
-Type 30 Rifle
Battalion Equipment
-Wagons
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
-Mannlicher M1893 Rifle
Section Equipment
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
27(30)

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1915 Autorifle
Regimental Equipment
Battalion Equipment
-Wagons
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
Fireteam Equipment
-M1917 Rifle
Standard Issue Equipment

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
25(30)

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1915 Autorifle
-Rast & Gasser M1898 Revolver
Regimental Equipment
Battalion Equipment
-Wagons
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
Fireteam Equipment
-Type 30 Rifle
Standard Issue Equipment

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
27(30)

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1915 Autorifle
-Rast & Gasser M1898 Revolver
Regimental Equipment
Battalion Equipment
-Wagons
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
Fireteam Equipment
-Mannlicher–Schönauer Rifle
Standard Issue Equipment

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
27(30)

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1915 Autorifle
-Rast & Gasser M1898 Revolver
Regimental Equipment
-Wagons
Battalion Equipment
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
Fireteam Equipment
-Mannlicher–Schönauer Rifle
Standard Issue Equipment
27(20)

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)

West Neu Salsburg Workshop(two lines)
- Rast & Gasser M1898(20) Unmet Material Requirements! Production reduced by 75%!
- Rast & Gasser M1898(20) Unmet Material Requirements! Production reduced by 75%!
200m Slipway | Unarmed 62m Drifters(2)
50m Slipway | Unarmed 38m Trawlers(5)

15 spare population

Ex-SMS Aspern
   G. L/40 SC.96 x8
   SFK L/44 S (QF 3-pounder Hotchkiss, long) x8
   SFK L/33 H(QF 3-pounder Hotchkiss) x2
   45cm torpedos x2
   Mounts for two machineguns
   2 × 4-cylinder vertical triple-expansion steam engines, each powering one shaft
   NO RADIO

Spoiler: Logistics & Designs (click to show/hide)

RIFLES/AUTOMATICS
Werndl–Holub rifle 11.15×58mmR | 75 [Costs 1.5 LPs]
P14, 303 british | 0 [2LP]
M1917, 30-06 | 0 [2LP]
Mannlicher–Schönauer 6.5×54mm Mannlicher–Schönauer | 1 [2LP]
Type 30 rifle 6.5×54mm Mannlicher–Schönauer | 0 [2LP]
Mannlicher M1893 6.5x53mmR | 6 [2LP]
Berthier Mle 07/15 | 39 [2LP]
Mousqueton Berthier Mle 1892/M16 | 9 [2LP]
-Autorifles
CSRG 1915 8 Lebel | 0 [5LP]
CSRG 1917 30-06 | 18 [5LP]
-MGs
Schwarzlose machine gun 8×50mmR Mannlicher | 1 [7LP]
Salvator-Dormus M1893 8×50mmR Mannlicher | 2 [7LP]

ARTILLERY
10 cm M. 14 Feldhaubitze two-part 100x183mmR | 5 [6LP]
   Smoke, HE
15 cm SK L/35 101lb warhead | 2 [7LP]
   AP, Common, Shrapnel

SIDEARMS
Frommer Stop 7.65mm/.32 ACP |5 [3LP]
Roth-Krnka M.7 8mm Roth-Steyr | 9 [3LP]
Ruby pistol 7.65mm/.32 ACP | 5 [3LP]
Rast & Gasser M1898 8mm Gasser | 20 [2LP]

MISC
M15 Stielhandgranate
Hebel Model 1894 single shot 26.5mm flare gun | 3 [Costs 1.5 LPs]

LOGISTICS
Wooden Farm Cart | 0 [Provides 10 logistic points][Costs 2 LPs]

AMMUNITION
11.15x58mmR BLACKPOWDER
8mm Gasser

WEAPONS
Werndl–Holub rifle(11.15×58mmR) {15 per line}{Timber, iron} [Costs 1.5 LPs]
Rast & Gasser M1898(8mm Gasser) {20 per line}{Timber, iron} [Costs 2 LPs]

EQUIPMENT
Wooden Farm Wagons {20 per line}{Timber, metal} [Provides 10 logistic points][Costs 2 LPs]

NAVAL
Modified 62m Drifter {5 per slipway} {Provides 30 logistics(35 unarmed)} {3LP Base)
   Mount for artillery piece
   2x Mount for Machinegun
   300kW triple-expantion reciprocating engine, single shaft, coal fired
   
Modified 38m Trawler {8 per slipway} {provides 20 logistics(25 unarmed)} {3LP Base}
   Mount for artillery piece
   2x Mount for Machinegun
   300kW triple-expantion reciprocating engine, single shaft, coal fired

Spoiler: Deployment and Knowledge (click to show/hide)

Sectors consist of:
 North Island
     Low hills
     Low mountain
 Neu Salsburg Bay Island
     Bay Island Fort [Government Remnants]
 West Isle
     Sand Dunes
     Low Mountains
     Wooded hills
 Neu Salsburg
     East (workshop, railway) [PS Army 1]
     West (Workshop, railway, Level 2 Fortifications {WIP}) [FOotSM Army 1]
     Port (200m slipway, 50m slipway, railway, major river, Level .5 Fortifications) [FOotSM Army 2]
     The Castle (Fort)
     North (steel foundry, railway, powerstation)
Sellye
     north [FOotSM Army 4]
     south [PS Army 3]
     Industrial (Blackband iron mine/processing, Workshop, railway)
 Pecs
     north (Level .5 Fortifications{WIP})[FOotSM Army 3]
     west[PS Army 4]
     port(2x125m slipway, sawmill, railway) [PS Army 2]
     Pecs Fort[Government Remnants]
 Berek
     west [FOotSM Army 6]
     south [PS Army 6]
     Industrial area (Bornite mine/processing, workshop, railway)
 Cigand
     port (railway, major river{waterfall})
     north [FOotSM Army 5]
     south [PS Army 5]
 Southern Swamps
     managed forest
     bauxite quarry(railway)
     undeveloped swamps
     undeveloped forest
     mixed forest/farmlands
 Northern Swamps
     Undeveloped swamps
     farms
     farms(railway, major river)
     horse ranch
     Dolomite Quarry(railway, major river)
 North Forest
     Undeveloped forest
     undeveloped forest
     farms(railway)
     managed forest(railway)
 Central Forest
     Undeveloped forest [PS Army 7]
     undeveloped forest [FOotSM Army 7]
     Neu Salsburg Rail Depot(railway)
     mixed forest/farmland{railway)
 South-West Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 West Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains(railway)
 Central Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains(railway, major river)
     mountains(railway, major river)
     mountains(railway, lake)
South-east Mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 North-east mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 Northern mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains

[coleslaw35]

Alrighty then. First and foremost, we need a rifle cartridge that isn't shitty blackpowder, and ideally a rifle that was designed after 1900. I think the Springfield M1917, and it's 30-06 cartridge, would suit our needs perfectly, at least for the time being. The 30-06 cartridge is a pretty solid cartridge, and we can use it in many future small arms designs, not just rifles. Also, a machinegun would do wonders, but the only real examples of machineguns we have are a little eh. How about we design our own, preferably also using 30-06?

I propose we:

-Reverse engineer the M1917 for our own production.
-Reverse engineer the 30-06 cartridge for our own production.
-Reverse engineer the 15 cm SK L/35 for our own naval production.
-Begin designing a medium machinegun, using the 30-06 cartridge.

Spoiler: Machinegun Proposal (click to show/hide)

MMG-1921 "Eclipse"

The Medium Machinegun-1921, shortened to just MMG-1921 and nicknamed "Eclipse," is a medium machine gun chambered in 30-06 smokeless powder cartridges. It includes a tripod that can be deployed and undeployed in the field for mobility. It utilizes 100 round ammo belts that can be carried into combat individually by the crew or in cheap, metal cases for ease of storage on and off the battlefield. The barrel is air-cooled, due to the risk of water-cooling systems freezing in our cold environment or in the even colder mountains. A very high fire rate is not necessarily important, so as to keep more sustained fire rather than rapid fire. This should increase accuracy and further reduce the chance of overheating.

Comes in two variants: one that does not include the tripod (for mounting on vehicles/naval vessels) and one that does. (I reason these can be produced in one line?)

Also, I'm putting these two flags up to vote on. I, of course, won't vote for my own flags so I'll wait for others to comment.

Spoiler: Flag 1 (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Flag 2 (click to show/hide)

[King Zultan]

I was thinking of making some kind of body armour for our first design, but the machinegun sounds better especially sense the ones we have available right now kind of suck.

Also shouldn't we use the last token to reverse engineer the ammunition for the 15cm SK L/35.

[coleslaw35]

I was thinking of making some kind of body armour for our first design, but the machinegun sounds better especially sense the ones we have available right now kind of suck.

Also shouldn't we use the last token to reverse engineer the ammunition for the 15cm SK L/35.

I don’t see why not. I think it’s simply a matter of whether we want to tie the horses to the cart or the cart to the horses, so to speak. If you’d rather do that first, I’d vote for it.

[King Zultan]

Lets go with the machinegun first sense you've already got the thing for it written down.

Also I don't know if our troops get helmets with their uniforms or not.

[coleslaw35]

Lets go with the machinegun first sense you've already got the thing for it written down.

Also I don't know if our troops get helmets with their uniforms or not.

Ah, I thought you meant revising the ammunition in place of the 15 cm SK L/35.

And I don't think they do. Joy! We get to design a helmet after this! Might I suggest we design one with proper mounting for helmet webbing/camouflaging, when we get around to it?

At this point in time, I figure any body armor we design is going to be overall unimpactful on the battlefield compared to much else. During WW1, great powers experimented with heavy, steel vests to little success. They could stop very small calibers at longer ranges and sometimes helped against shrapnel, but that's about it. Still, this is just a forum game, and maybe our scenario is one in which it *would* be useful, but I'd think we'd need some kind of relic or ritual to make GOOD body armor. Helmets should do for now, at the very least.

[Aseaheru]

 Uniform consists of civilian clothes with an armband.