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[DerMeister]

I want make mod with playable goblins. So they need noble positions. But vanilla dwarvish is boring, shamans  is double boring.

I want use bandit positions, so can you give me full list? Another positions - "master" is monarch demon, as example.

Have ideas about ringleader, chieftain, warlord and lieutenant? What they will do?

I also have alpha version of my mod with some goblinish nobles. Need it?

[Nirekin]

Have you considered gender-based positions? I imagine that Patriarchs, Matriarchs and the likes wouldn't be too far-fetched for a Goblin society. We could also see to something much more akin to a slave system, like the "Master" position that you proposed; we could add something like "Helots/Slaves" for the meager working class and peasants, Serfs for the administrators or someone remotely more important than your average wax worker and top it off with "Thrall/Master" as the top of the pyramid.

[DerMeister]

Have you considered gender-based positions? I imagine that Patriarchs, Matriarchs and the likes wouldn't be too far-fetched for a Goblin society. We could also see to something much more akin to a slave system, like the "Master" position that you proposed; we could add something like "Helots/Slaves" for the meager working class and peasants, Serfs for the administrators or someone remotely more important than your average wax worker and top it off with "Thrall/Master" as the top of the pyramid.

What about fortress mode nobles? Gender-based positions not work, only if make this positions also race based.

[brolol.404]

Have you considered gender-based positions? I imagine that Patriarchs, Matriarchs and the likes wouldn't be too far-fetched for a Goblin society. We could also see to something much more akin to a slave system, like the "Master" position that you proposed; we could add something like "Helots/Slaves" for the meager working class and peasants, Serfs for the administrators or someone remotely more important than your average wax worker and top it off with "Thrall/Master" as the top of the pyramid.

I considered making the war chiefs, tribal chieftains and goblin kings male only and shamans female only in my Goblin Fortress mod, but ended up taking it out. I can consider changing it back though. I have my positions restricted to goblin only anyway. Do you think a gender based society would add a lot?

What about fortress mode nobles? Gender-based positions not work, only if make this positions also race based.

I think it makes sense to restrict the race. I dont think a bunch of elves/humans/dwarves should hold nobility in a goblin fort.

[DerMeister]

Have you considered gender-based positions? I imagine that Patriarchs, Matriarchs and the likes wouldn't be too far-fetched for a Goblin society. We could also see to something much more akin to a slave system, like the "Master" position that you proposed; we could add something like "Helots/Slaves" for the meager working class and peasants, Serfs for the administrators or someone remotely more important than your average wax worker and top it off with "Thrall/Master" as the top of the pyramid.

I considered making the war chiefs, tribal chieftains and goblin kings male only and shamans female only in my Goblin Fortress mod, but ended up taking it out. I can consider changing it back though. I have my positions restricted to goblin only anyway. Do you think a gender based society would add a lot?

What about fortress mode nobles? Gender-based positions not work, only if make this positions also race based.

I think it makes sense to restrict the race. I dont think a bunch of elves/humans/dwarves should hold nobility in a goblin fort.

This tribal shamans is very boring. Goblins better looks alike bandits, not tribes. Kobolds is tribal civ.

[brolol.404]

This tribal shamans is very boring. Goblins better looks alike bandits, not tribes. Kobolds is tribal civ.

I actually think the opposite. In DF kobolds are a lawless bandit civ. Goblins are a counter to dwarves as a savage tribal civ.

Edit: but the great thing about modding is that you can make them whatever you want

[DerMeister]

This tribal shamans is very boring. Goblins better looks alike bandits, not tribes. Kobolds is tribal civ.

I actually think the opposite. In DF kobolds are a lawless bandit civ. Goblins are a counter to dwarves as a savage tribal civ.

Edit: but the great thing about modding is that you can make them whatever you want

Real bandits isn't full lawless tribe. They can be very organized (mafia). Kobolds is really near tribal lifestyle.

[vettlingr]

Did some Troll nobles for a Norse mythology mod which included titles such as Underking/Underqueen, Keeper of Meat, Keeper of Bones. Their lords/local leaders were called Squatters.

[DerMeister]

I add this nobles for goblins:

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[POSITION:MONARCH]
[NAME_MALE:master:masters]
[NAME_FEMALE:mistress:mistresses]
[NUMBER:1]
[SPOUSE_MALE:master's consort:master's consort]
[SPOUSE_FEMALE:mistesses consort:mistresses consort]
[SUCCESSION:BY_POSITION:GENERAL]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_MAKING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MILITARY_GOALS]
[PRECEDENCE:1]
[RULES_FROM_LOCATION]
[REQUIRES_MARKET]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION_SPOUSE]
[SLEEP_PRETENSION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[COLOR:5:0:1]
[ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[DEMAND_MAX:8]
[MANDATE_MAX:5]
[REQUIRED_BOXES:10]
[REQUIRED_CABINETS:5]
[REQUIRED_RACKS:5]
[REQUIRED_STANDS:5]
[REQUIRED_OFFICE:2500]
[REQUIRED_BEDROOM:2500]
[REQUIRED_DINING:2500]
[REQUIRED_TOMB:2500]
[POSITION:WARLORD]
[NAME:warlord:warlords]
[SITE]
[NUMBER:1]
[RULES_FROM_LOCATION]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MEET_WORKERS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MILITARY_GOALS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:ACCOUNTING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MANAGE_PRODUCTION]
[RESPONSIBILITY:TRADE]
[REQUIRED_OFFICE:1]
[PRECEDENCE:110]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:CHIEFTAIN]
[NAME:chieftain:chieftains]
[SITE]
[NUMBER:1]
[SQUAD:10:enforcer:enforcers]
[APPOINTED_BY:WARLORD]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MILITARY_STRATEGY]
[RESPONSIBILITY:BUILD_MORALE]
[RESPONSIBILITY:EXECUTIONS]
[EXECUTION_SKILL:WHIP]
[COMMANDER:RINGLEADER:ALL]
[PRECEDENCE:120]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:RINGLEADER]
[NAME:ringleader:ringleaders]
[SITE]
[NUMBER:AS_NEEDED]
[SQUAD:10:enforcer:enforcers]
[APPOINTED_BY:CHIEFTAIN]
[PRECEDENCE:200]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[MILITARY_SCREEN_ONLY]
[POSITION:CHIEF_MEDICAL_GOBLIN]
[NAME:chief medical goblin:chief medical goblin]
[SITE]
[REQUIRES_MARKET]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:HEALTH_MANAGEMENT]
[APPOINTED_BY:EXPEDITION_LEADER]
[APPOINTED_BY:MAYOR]
[PRECEDENCE:165]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[COLOR:5:0:0]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:OUTPOST_LIAISON]
[NAME:Envoy:Envoys]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:ESTABLISH_COLONY_TRADE_AGREEMENTS]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:GOBLIN:ALL]
[APPOINTED_BY:MONARCH]
[PRECEDENCE:80]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[SLEEP_PRETENSION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[COLOR:7:0:1]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[DEMAND_MAX:3]
[REQUIRED_BOXES:3]
[REQUIRED_CABINETS:2]
[REQUIRED_RACKS:2]
[REQUIRED_STANDS:2]
[REQUIRED_OFFICE:1250]
[REQUIRED_BEDROOM:1250]
[REQUIRED_DINING:1250]
[POSITION:DIPLOMAT]
[NAME:Harbinger:Harbingers]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_INTRODUCTIONS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_PEACE_AGREEMENTS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_TOPIC_AGREEMENTS]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:HARPY:ALL]
[APPOINTED_BY:MONARCH]
[PRECEDENCE:70]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[COLOR:7:0:1]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[DEMAND_MAX:3]
[REQUIRED_BOXES:3]
[REQUIRED_CABINETS:2]
[REQUIRED_RACKS:2]
[REQUIRED_STANDS:2]
[REQUIRED_OFFICE:1300]
[REQUIRED_BEDROOM:1300]
[REQUIRED_DINING:1300]Needs more postions?