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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2019, 09:54:11 pm »

How about making the Yaks more Norse/Viking? with blood sacrifices to the gods, big and prone to berserking compared to the Griffon's trances,

accessories made from the remains of their foes, that kind of things.
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2019, 10:36:30 pm »

How about making the Yaks more Norse/Viking? with blood sacrifices to the gods, big and prone to berserking compared to the Griffon's trances,

accessories made from the remains of their foes, that kind of things.

That's a pretty good idea, helps fit more into Dwarf Fortresses' Dwarf Fortressiness (if that's even a thing). I'll add those into the list, and then edit the second OP for future work.
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2019, 11:16:46 pm »

Also quick note, went ahead and gave Changelings Ambusher, Merchant Bodyguards and Item Thief. Meaning that Changelings will start as ambushers, before eventually ramping up into full siegers, their caravans will have bodyguards, and they'll also try to steal items for forts (though if you play as them, you'll possibly want to remove the tag, as any items sold to your caravans when it's applied are counted as stolen, and aren't counted as Exported)
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2019, 12:20:44 am »

So with some help from Rose, I got Item Syndrome Reborn working. Which means my items can now have syndromes! Which also means I can make enchanted armor, weapons, spellbooks, etc!

This is going to be fun to add.
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2019, 02:02:34 pm »

Alright, here's the list for the different Schools of Magic (with some being Secrets, instead of learnable via spellbooks/schools (depending on how ill handle the magic system in the first place))


Pyromancy = Fire Magic
Cryomancy = Ice Magic
Hydromancy = Water Magic
Aeromancy = Wind Magic
Electromancy = Lightning Magic
Geomancy = Earth Magic
Pathomancy = Emotion Magic
Biomancy = Physical Enhancement Magic
Astromancy = Astral Magic
Umbral Magic = Darkness Magic
Photomancy = Light Magic
Phyllomancy = Plant/Agricultural Magic
Conjuration = Summoning Magic
Meteomancy = Weather Magic
Toximancy = Poison Magic
Vitamancy = Healing Magic
Sanctomancy = Holy/Angelic Magic (Secret)
Infernamancy = Evil/Demonic Magic (Secret)
Telemancy = Basic Magic
Thiriomancy = Beast Magic
Felmancy = Chaos Magic (Secret)
Dracomancy = Draconic Magic (Secret)
Haemomancy = Blood Magic (Secret)
Arcanomancy = Arcane Magic (Secret)

I'm thinking of splitting this up so that certain civs can do certain magics, with Pony's having the highest variation, but they can't do all magic kinds.



Another thing i'm going to be doing is that All civs can do Enchanting. But griffons can do modular enchanting. Meaning that, for example, Pony Swords would only have 1 enchantment, but Griffon swords can have up to 3 (With a process of making an enchanted Blade, enchanted Handle and enchanted Guard, which then has all 3 put together in a new workshop). While Zebra's can enchant accessories like Bracelets, Rings, etc to a higher degree then normal.

Another thing i'm playing with is Spellcasters (aka a weapon that casts spells), which use enchanted gems to cast spells for non-magical civs.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2019, 02:51:27 pm by Unknown72 »
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2019, 04:11:46 pm »

Alright, here's the list for the different Schools of Magic (with some being Secrets, instead of learnable via spellbooks/schools (depending on how ill handle the magic system in the first place))


Pyromancy = Fire Magic
Cryomancy = Ice Magic
Hydromancy = Water Magic
Aeromancy = Wind Magic
Electromancy = Lightning Magic
Geomancy = Earth Magic
Pathomancy = Emotion Magic
Biomancy = Physical Enhancement Magic
Astromancy = Astral Magic
Umbral Magic = Darkness Magic
Photomancy = Light Magic
Phyllomancy = Plant/Agricultural Magic
Conjuration = Summoning Magic
Meteomancy = Weather Magic
Toximancy = Poison Magic
Vitamancy = Healing Magic
Sanctomancy = Holy/Angelic Magic (Secret)
Infernamancy = Evil/Demonic Magic (Secret)
Telemancy = Basic Magic
Thiriomancy = Beast Magic
Felmancy = Chaos Magic (Secret)
Dracomancy = Draconic Magic (Secret)
Haemomancy = Blood Magic (Secret)
Arcanomancy = Arcane Magic (Secret)

I'm thinking of splitting this up so that certain civs can do certain magics, with Pony's having the highest variation, but they can't do all magic kinds.



Another thing i'm going to be doing is that All civs can do Enchanting. But griffons can do modular enchanting. Meaning that, for example, Pony Swords would only have 1 enchantment, but Griffon swords can have up to 3 (With a process of making an enchanted Blade, enchanted Handle and enchanted Guard, which then has all 3 put together in a new workshop). While Zebra's can enchant accessories like Bracelets, Rings, etc to a higher degree then normal.

Another thing i'm playing with is Spellcasters (aka a weapon that casts spells), which use enchanted gems to cast spells for non-magical civs.

How do you plan to implement these spells? Will they be CDIs use on attack or use dfhack? Have you considered making a magic mod for the game, seperate from this pony mod?

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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2019, 04:56:45 pm »

OTOH, there's the official magic system to consider... ...just so you don't get caught utterly by surprise with that.
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2019, 04:59:25 pm »

Alright, here's the list for the different Schools of Magic (with some being Secrets, instead of learnable via spellbooks/schools (depending on how ill handle the magic system in the first place))


Pyromancy = Fire Magic
Cryomancy = Ice Magic
Hydromancy = Water Magic
Aeromancy = Wind Magic
Electromancy = Lightning Magic
Geomancy = Earth Magic
Pathomancy = Emotion Magic
Biomancy = Physical Enhancement Magic
Astromancy = Astral Magic
Umbral Magic = Darkness Magic
Photomancy = Light Magic
Phyllomancy = Plant/Agricultural Magic
Conjuration = Summoning Magic
Meteomancy = Weather Magic
Toximancy = Poison Magic
Vitamancy = Healing Magic
Sanctomancy = Holy/Angelic Magic (Secret)
Infernamancy = Evil/Demonic Magic (Secret)
Telemancy = Basic Magic
Thiriomancy = Beast Magic
Felmancy = Chaos Magic (Secret)
Dracomancy = Draconic Magic (Secret)
Haemomancy = Blood Magic (Secret)
Arcanomancy = Arcane Magic (Secret)

I'm thinking of splitting this up so that certain civs can do certain magics, with Pony's having the highest variation, but they can't do all magic kinds.



Another thing i'm going to be doing is that All civs can do Enchanting. But griffons can do modular enchanting. Meaning that, for example, Pony Swords would only have 1 enchantment, but Griffon swords can have up to 3 (With a process of making an enchanted Blade, enchanted Handle and enchanted Guard, which then has all 3 put together in a new workshop). While Zebra's can enchant accessories like Bracelets, Rings, etc to a higher degree then normal.

Another thing i'm playing with is Spellcasters (aka a weapon that casts spells), which use enchanted gems to cast spells for non-magical civs.

How do you plan to implement these spells? Will they be CDIs use on attack or use dfhack? Have you considered making a magic mod for the game, seperate from this pony mod?


Well since the Item Syndrome Reborn script is working, i'll be doing a variety of things.

The first is that I'll be making Materials that have the Syndromes (with appropriate CDI's) on them. Then have a process involving making spellbooks with those Materials that give the syndromes either when Hauling or Equipped as Armor, then have it so that the syndromes have the "DFHACK_DO_NOT_REMOVE" syn class so that they stay permanently. There'll be 3 or 4 Variations of Spellbooks (Student/Beginner/Basic (With the basic spells), Novice/Practitioner (With slightly more "advanced" spells), Intermediate/Theorist (With more "master" class spells) and Master/Professor (more "Ultimate" class spells).

The second is that i'll be reading up on DFHack to learn how to use its triggers to do more spell like things via Workshops or specific items (Create rain, spawn water/magma, summon creatures, etc)

The secrets will be just that, secrets in addition to Necromancy. Of course i'll have to do some testing to see what exactly is the limit and what I can and can't do spell wise, but it's honestly not hard to "re-skin" some spells to work as other spells, for example, or just impliment some odd materials to make them work.

As a result there's going to be a lot more inorganic stuff, since with ISR the syndromes are on the materials that are then used to make those items or items made out of those materials.


And ironically enough, after I made that list of magic schools and started writing up possible spells I did begin thinking about making a magic mod. The only things really making me iffy on actually doing it is the amount of free-time that I have and that there's already a few magic mods out there (Aeramore expansion, basic spellcrafts, even Meph's warlocks have their own take on magic).

OTOH, there's the official magic system to consider... ...just so you don't get caught utterly by surprise with that.

You mean in the upcoming Myths and Magic update? I have a feeling that that still won't be coming for quite a while, but once it does and is (hopefully) moddable, i'd just convert the magic spells and the like that i'd done to its system, then just get rid of the materials, reactions, workshops and items. Deletion is a lot easier then creation after all.
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2019, 06:22:53 pm »

And ironically enough, after I made that list of magic schools and started writing up possible spells I did begin thinking about making a magic mod. The only things really making me iffy on actually doing it is the amount of free-time that I have and that there's already a few magic mods out there (Aeramore expansion, basic spellcrafts, even Meph's warlocks have their own take on magic).

I think a magic mod that only adds new spells and a new magic system (without other creatures, races, etc.) would be cool if you add your own unique spells to it. I don't think there is anything wrong with multiple mods doing similiar things with different approaches/content. I understand not being able to find the time for it though if you have other modding priorities./interests.

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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2019, 07:26:37 pm »

And ironically enough, after I made that list of magic schools and started writing up possible spells I did begin thinking about making a magic mod. The only things really making me iffy on actually doing it is the amount of free-time that I have and that there's already a few magic mods out there (Aeramore expansion, basic spellcrafts, even Meph's warlocks have their own take on magic).

I think a magic mod that only adds new spells and a new magic system (without other creatures, races, etc.) would be cool if you add your own unique spells to it. I don't think there is anything wrong with multiple mods doing similiar things with different approaches/content. I understand not being able to find the time for it though if you have other modding priorities./interests.

I'll most likely make it then, just wanna finish stuff up for MLF first.
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2019, 10:53:57 am »

The "obscene words" have been removed from vanilla DF, thus the game throws error message for the pony language having unrecognized words such as "buttock". There are also a few issues with the reactions in reaction_pony_chocolate and PROCESS_WHEAT. The reactions use reagents and products PLANT:PLANT_NAME instead of PLANT:NONE. Those also end with PLANT_MAT:PLANT_NAME:PLANT, while there seemingly is no material defined for those plants with the name PLANT. It might be a remnant from an older raw convention.

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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2019, 09:27:33 pm »

The "obscene words" have been removed from vanilla DF, thus the game throws error message for the pony language having unrecognized words such as "buttock". There are also a few issues with the reactions in reaction_pony_chocolate and PROCESS_WHEAT. The reactions use reagents and products PLANT:PLANT_NAME instead of PLANT:NONE. Those also end with PLANT_MAT:PLANT_NAME:PLANT, while there seemingly is no material defined for those plants with the name PLANT. It might be a remnant from an older raw convention.

That's actually really funny in regards to the obscene words.

I'll look into it, those were all disabled before I enabled them due to sorcerer working on refining them, so it might be due to it being a midway stage of conversion to something more refined. Thanks for letting me know!
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2019, 05:44:21 pm »

Thanks so much for updating this! I've been hoping someone would pick this up for months!
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Re: My Little Fortress Part 2: Electric Boogaloo - 2019 (DF 44.12)
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2019, 03:00:50 pm »

I have a small suggestion.
Fallout Equestria mod adds water talismans. They allow you to create a water source in location of your choosing. Idea is to prevent frame drops from all water calculations because you tap to large water sources. No idea how this item is implemented there but could be nice to be able to embark with such thing.
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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2019, 05:50:49 am »

Thanks so much for updating this! I've been hoping someone would pick this up for months!

Course, it's one of my favorite mods so I'm happy to have picked it up.

I have a small suggestion.
Fallout Equestria mod adds water talismans. They allow you to create a water source in location of your choosing. Idea is to prevent frame drops from all water calculations because you tap to large water sources. No idea how this item is implemented there but could be nice to be able to embark with such thing.

I'll look into it but the talismans (and honestly, a lot of what Fallout Equestria does in general) use a lot of DF Hack and reaction trigger stuff that I don't actually fully understand yet. I can guarantee that once I start understanding DF Hack more (kinda need to for the more esoteric magic I want to do) I'll add in ways to generate things that are more canon to MLP like water, magma and the like.



On an unrelated note, after a bit of exploring and paying attention to various modding question threads, I learned that improvements to items also use material tokens and applies them to said item. What this means is that, because Item Syndrome Reborn puts the syndromes on the materials with Syn_Classes that dictate when said syndromes take effect on items made out of them, if I'm thinking correctly then because improvements also can take material tokens, you can do things like master class enchantments via improvements, or even instead of creating spellbooks and needing previous spellbooks to create the next level of spellbook via reactions, you can just improve a previous spellbook into a superior one.

This could also work in tandem with things like poisoned weapons and the like.



Speaking of poisoned weapons and the like. I want to create poison flask throwing weapons for Changelings to use, but to do that I need to know how some specific DF Hack modtools work. Unfortunately the modtools section of DFHack just tells you quite literally what the command/code does, and nothing else. So if anyone knows how I could use Projectile Trigger to, say, spawn a small cloud or puddle of poison once it hits a target/the ground, let me know!



Finally, I've decided to make the magic system an entirely different mod itself. Since the base idea for it came from this MLP mod I'll either continue making it with that idea in mind (and let other modders mod it as much as they like to fit their own settings) or I'll make it more neutral without MLP influence, submit that for anyone to use, set it up in My Little Fortress, and then mod it further specifically so that it's MLP focused for My Little Fortress specifically.

That way people can take the magic mod, use it and mod it as they like for their own mods if they want (or just to add magic somewhere) and also have MLP specific magic for this mod!

Unfortunately I've been sick for 2 weeks at this point (finally got my anti-biotics though! So hopefully I'll be getting better sooner rather then later) so I haven't been able to make progress on much of anything, let alone this mod, the story fort and my own art. Once I get better I'll definetly be going full tilt into these though! (Work is still thing, so I won't be able to go as much as I'd like, but I'll try my best!)
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