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[Taricus]

Mk.1A Anti-Material Rifle
Whilst as it currently is, the Mk1 Rifle is a serviceable weapon. However, with the implication of armoured power suits on the Horizon, this is likely to rapidly be obsoleted by increasing amounts of armour. To attempt to head off any growth for the time being, a up-scaling project is initiated on the Mk.1 rifle, with a variant being designed around a new, 13mm round intended to be able to punch through an armoured environment suit effectively. With the addition of a 4x magnification scope to allow the user to effectively aim the now larger weapon, this rifle should be a potent reminder for the Smiths to go back to the hole they crawled out from.

[Tyrant Leviathan]

Revision suggestion: APA-1 Rifle Grenade Attachment

In anticipation of greater armored threats in the future, our foot soldiers will need a reliable way to engage heavily armored targets with their primary weapon. This modification should be the first step in giving us a reliable way to remove heavily armored targets from the equation, with further modifications allowing it to effectively engage light armored targets if the enemy moves down an unexpected path. Modifications to the muzzle allow a 400 mm 550 gram fin-stabilized rifle grenade to be attached to the end, with a 50-400 meter sight ladder allowing it to be effectively aimed. The grenade uses a bullet trap to propel itself to the target, allowing a standard round to be chambered for its use. It should be quick to fire, a soldier needs only to place the grenade, chamber a round, aim, and shoot. The grenade itself is a shaped charged that detonates upon nose contact, ideally allowing it to pierce through 350mm+ armor or double that penetration in concrete.

Further (not in this revision) modifications could allow for more grenade types, such as fragmentation to deal with lower-armored targets.

With power armor in the equation, weight becomes less of an issue while armor becomes a major issue. While modern rifles are basically all capable of firing rifle grenades, 40mm support/under-barrel is generally preferred. Power armor generally means we'll need heavier rounds than what a modern soldier would expect to use, we can theoretically ignore the recoil of the grenade and fire this from the shoulder, and we can have every soldier carry multiple grenades thanks to their enhanced strength. Just for a general explanation of why I picked this over a grenade launcher attachment :V

APA-1 Rifle Grenade Attachment (2): Stirk, Tyrant Leviathan

Do not get me wrong, I love a big ass gun mk1 Rifle is honestly promising.)
But I see this as a way to get the foot in door with alternative ammo types (grenades to boot)

And it enhances our main bad ass Rifle which is already solid gold.

My own ideas on future stuff is a Attack form of our resource as acenergy gun ( deciding to try to revive red System.)

Side that just bigger and better armors.

Hmm. There is water. : Thinking Of amphibious Power armor.:

[Stirk]

Tie breaker saves the day!

I think all our power armor is amphibious, the main issue would be firing weapons underwater. We could make specialty bullets or weapons for the situation, adding extra mobility underwater is also an option but seems less viable given that there is only one combat zone where open underwater combat is preferred.

Speaking of, time to spitball for our next design phase!

"Warrior" M1 General Purpose Power Armor (GPPA): Our current suits are not capable of fighting effectively in a war, in either the "power" or "armor" fronts. We need a new suit of armor that can be issued to every single soldier, capable of resisting enemy fire while maintaining mobility, visibility, and increased strength. The first step in this goal is replacing the bubble helmet with an armored alternative, a metal helmet with two reinforced eye slits filled with strong transparent material. In the case the eye's protective material can be penetrated by enemy fire, the soldiers will be expected to shield their eyes with their forearm when they are likely to take hits as they maneuver to cover. To such effect, the top side of the grieves will have increased thickness allowing them to act as a shield. Overall armor thickness is increased, hopefully to the point it can take multiple hits from enemy weapons at combat ranges. The exoskeleton is internalized, taking the increased weight of the armor on to itself. More of the battery input is to be directed into powering the exoskeleton, in order to increase its output and strength. We currently have no plans on utilizing the internal power source, so they're should be no harm in redirecting it to the suit itself. Users are expected to have a full range of movement, and should at a minimum be able to bring weapon sights to eye level.

Pretty basic design that our grunts should be able to use for cheap, we get 2 ore so bit of extra metally bits shouldn't break the bank. I considered putting some short-barreld shotguns onto the back of the gloves, but decided to wait on that for the time being. Always revisions!

[Tyrant Leviathan]

As for aqua stuff. Thought of a jet boost system that is sequences air jets in key armor joints. So on land get a jump boost, in water better movement.

As for the RED system. It’s guns that fire high heat energy bursts. Appears to be energy but like napalm in jet bursts or even a congealed ball of the stuff. Said ammo is bio gel that can be super heated and the stuff grows back at a rapid pace, so as long not completely depleting ammo, it will fill back up.

Keep in mind I do not vote for my own ideas. Just throwing it out there and post at a point if interested.

[Taricus]

Do not get me wrong, I love a big ass gun mk1 Rifle is honestly promising.)
But I see this as a way to get the foot in door with alternative ammo types (grenades to boot)

And it enhances our main bad ass Rifle which is already solid gold.

My own ideas on future stuff is a Attack form of our resource as an energy gun ( deciding to try to revive red System.)

Yeah, the problem with rifle grenades is that it's... not really an alternative ammo type, and they're going to be difficult to use in close quarters. Granted, the AMR would be too, but it would have the ability to repeatedly fire before it needs a reload to possibly better effect on the enemy.

Kinda need to balance the potential applications in the future with our actual material needs now, which the rifle grenade doesn't solve. We need to shore up our close-quarters abilities first and foremost there.

[Stirk]

As for aqua stuff. Thought of a jet boost system that is sequences air jets in key armor joints. So on land get a jump boost, in water better movement.

Right, the main problem with aqua stuff is that we have two water terrains, and one of them is the sewers where aqua stuff is kinda limited.

Yeah, the problem with rifle grenades is that it's... not really an alternative ammo type, and they're going to be difficult to use in close quarters. Granted, the AMR would be too, but it would have the ability to repeatedly fire before it needs a reload to possibly better effect on the enemy.

Kinda need to balance the potential applications in the future with our actual material needs now, which the rifle grenade doesn't solve. We need to shore up our close-quarters abilities first and foremost there.

There isn't really any viable way to turn our Revision action into close range firepower. We could try attaching a shotgun to the bottom of our rifle or something, but it isn't like what we could do would be enough to give us dominance at close range. I already explained why I don't agree with the "we need close weaponry" philosophy. We don't really know *what* our needs are right now. We know they have shotguns, but with three Design turns they could have anything else too. Hyper-focusing on their default equipment seems silly.

We can bring back the shotgun gloves if you really want.

Edit: Speaking of forgetting things we could mod the SMG into something usable lol I forgot about that thing. Then we’d have the close range firepower you want, upping the caliber or making AP rounds would probably help.

Dirty Bullets: The main drawbacks of the Dirty Gun are its low penetrating power and tendency to jam, the former of which becomes a large problem when dealing with the more advanced power armor the enemy will field if they arn't idiots. By replacing the standard ammunition with copper-plated solid steel bullets with a hot load, we should expect it to pierce enemy armor at reasonable distances, or weakpoints on especially hardened targets.

[Taricus]

Honestly, we could to an up-scaling of the SMG's round and modify the rounds it fires to be AP. That would actually give it some utility in close quarters.

And we do know a basic overview of our needs. While we don't have anything specific, we do have broad categories to cover which is enough for the first few turns.

[dgr11897]

You need at least one or two more votes before I'm willing to call it

[dgr11897]

Because I feel I've waited long enough, I'm calling the vote for the rifle grenades so we can keep this moving.

[dgr11897]

Revision suggestion: APA-1 Rifle Grenade Attachment

In anticipation of greater armored threats in the future, our foot soldiers will need a reliable way to engage heavily armored targets with their primary weapon. This modification should be the first step in giving us a reliable way to remove heavily armored targets from the equation, with further modifications allowing it to effectively engage light armored targets if the enemy moves down an unexpected path. Modifications to the muzzle allow a 400 mm 550 gram fin-stabilized rifle grenade to be attached to the end, with a 50-400 meter sight ladder allowing it to be effectively aimed. The grenade uses a bullet trap to propel itself to the target, allowing a standard round to be chambered for its use. It should be quick to fire, a soldier needs only to place the grenade, chamber a round, aim, and shoot. The grenade itself is a shaped charged that detonates upon nose contact, ideally allowing it to pierce through 350mm+ armor or double that penetration in concrete.

Further (not in this revision) modifications could allow for more grenade types, such as fragmentation to deal with lower-armored targets.

(3+5) 8 Average
The APA rifle Grenade turns out to be a relatively easy thing to throw together. Make an explosive head, add a fuse, create the necessary parts to load it into a rifle and bam, we have a basic rifle grenade. It isn't the best in the world, but its arcing trajectory and area damage make it quite helpful in some situations.
Resources
2 Ore, 1 Organics, 0 Contherinal, 0 Advanced components.

Spoiler: Mason Designs (click to show/hide)

Weapons
Mk1 Rifle
A .303 caliber bolt action rifle with an attached bayonet. Sturdy, reliable, and the bayonet won’t rust when exposed to water. As the propellant has its own oxidizer, allowing the weapon to fire in vacuum with little issue. Costs: 1 ore, 1 organics Cheap

• APA rifle grenade
  A simple rifle grenade with an impact fuse. Useful at hitting targets behind cover. Costs: 2 organics, 1 ore Expensive

Dirty gun
A crude SMG with a tendency to jam. The low caliber ammunition can’t penetrate anything except the faceplate area of the basic LSF1 suits, but with the number of bullets it sprays, that frequently doesn’t matter. Can shoot in space. Cost: 1 ore Cheap

Suits

LSF1-Exo
A survival suit with a powered exoskeleton attached. It’s lightly armored, with a few simple plates being it’s main defense, but it can handle everything from underwater combat to the vacuum of space. The enhanced strength is also great as it allows for brutally effective melee combat. The attached exoskeleton grants a 1.25x boost in strength compared to the average human, and allows people to safely carry larger loads without killing themselves. The suit it’s based off of is manufactured en masse by the automatic systems aboard the arcology as a standard survival suit, said suit could be used as the basis for future power armor, as it provides a solid life supporting base we could strap further enhancements to. Cost: 1 ore, 1 organics Cheap

LSF 1 life support survival suit:
This mildly hardened suit, capable of surviving both vacuum and extreme depths, is mass manufactured by the automated systems up to a quota of 1 suit per person. These suits have mounting points for an optional exo rig, which both sides have taken advantage of. Unfortunately for those using it in combat, it has a large bubble helmet with lights on it that is Exceptionally vulnerable to being shot.Consider this thing Cheap

Misc Gear

Survival kit:
A small set of stuff that comes with every suit, includes a large knife, multitool, emergency battery, emergency suit patch kit, flaregun, and a flashlight. Mostly useful for the knife and other miscellaneous gear. The knife is of decent quality, though not meant for combat which means its a little awkward to use in melee. Also cheap

Contherinal Biogel:
A Medical gel administered through a small handgun like apparatus. Heals gunshot wounds and seals up suits, but isn’t particularly useful in the field due to it not really being faster to grab and use than a suit patch. It does mildly improve survivability, but not by much. 1 Contherinal Expensive

Misc

Contherinal:
Contherinal is a miracle substance when it comes to growing or altering living tissue. Though its origins are mysterious and alien, the substance is what allowed Europa to be colonized at all. Contherinal acts as raw material for genetic enhancements, as it's a mass of cells which lack many of the defense mechanisms that prevent foreign DNA from being implanted into the cells, which allows researchers to plug in new strands of DNA with ease. This, combined with a viral component that spreads the change, allows Contherinal to be used to sculp life into myriad new forms. Unfortunately it hasn’t been produced or harvested in large quantities. Which creates some limitations when it comes to large scale use. We suspect contherinal to possess greater potential than it lets on.

It is now Design phase 2

[Stirk]

Alright, lets push out the new armor so we can fix it in the next two revisions if we need to!

"Warrior" M1 General Purpose Power Armor (GPPA): Our current suits are not capable of fighting effectively in a war, in either the "power" or "armor" fronts. We need a new suit of armor that can be issued to every single soldier, capable of resisting enemy fire while maintaining mobility, visibility, and increased strength. The first step in this goal is replacing the bubble helmet with an armored alternative, a metal helmet with two reinforced eye slits filled with strong transparent material. In the case the eye's protective material can be penetrated by enemy fire, the soldiers will be expected to shield their eyes with their forearm when they are likely to take hits as they maneuver to cover. To such effect, the top side of the grieves will have increased thickness allowing them to act as a shield. Overall armor thickness is increased, hopefully to the point it can take multiple hits from enemy weapons at combat ranges. The exoskeleton is internalized, taking the increased weight of the armor on to itself. More of the battery input is to be directed into powering the exoskeleton, in order to increase its output and strength. We currently have no plans on utilizing the internal power source, so they're should be no harm in redirecting it to the suit itself. Users are expected to have a full range of movement, and should at a minimum be able to bring weapon sights to eye level.

"Warrior" M1 General Purpose Power Armor (1): Stirk

[NUKE9.13]

Righto. That looks fine to me. Don't need fancy, just need functional.

"Warrior" M1 General Purpose Power Armor (2): Stirk, NUKE9.13

[Taricus]

I think we ought to go with a helmet option on that that doesn't massively reduce field of vision. We're going to need the situational awareness.

[Stirk]

I think we ought to go with a helmet option on that that doesn't massively reduce field of vision. We're going to need the situational awareness.

Cameras are too expensive for general use until we get an Advanced Component node, any more open face plate leaves the head a weak-point and isn't much of an upgrade overall. It'd be different if we had some reliable bullet resistant transparent material lying around, I'm not sure what designs we have that would keep both security and visibility high.

[Taricus]

Perspex exists. I mean, it might not work for rifle rounds, but it should help enough against buckshot and pistol rounds. Just ensure the stuff is treated for strength and we're good.