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Re: Vive la France: Let's Play Rule the Waves 2
« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2020, 09:45:52 am »

Congratulations on your great victory :)

Our big ship building program shall strike fear into the hearts of even the more powerful nations!

And the idea that people think aircraft could supplant the power of the almighty battleship is laughable at best!
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« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2020, 11:06:04 am »

I don't think we need anti-aircraft weaponry just yet - in the far future, sure, but not now.

And I'm up for updating our destroyers, our battleships are only a torpedo or few away from being useless piles of scrap metal on bottom of the sea ;v
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« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2020, 11:19:53 am »

Agreed that we should probably buff our lighter vessels. Besides, if aircraft do become an issue we can always refit them to serve as AA gunboats of a sort.

Do we have any long-term plans when it comes to picking fights?
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« Reply #63 on: February 29, 2020, 02:40:37 pm »

Agreed that we should probably buff our lighter vessels.

Agreed.  Now that we are no longer BFFs with Great Britain, building more capital ships will just give them a budget increase so that they can build more capital ships.  They probably won't notice if we work on our lighter vessels instead.

I would suggest we acquire another ally, then use said ally to get stuff from another country via conquest.

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« Reply #64 on: February 29, 2020, 05:23:15 pm »

*gasp*

You mean like... Italy??
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« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2020, 09:30:13 am »

*gasp*

You mean like... Italy??

The Perfect Ally...to fight Austria-Hungary

...maybe Germany, if we can get it started before they rebuild.

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« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2020, 08:06:52 pm »

Cheese pizza supremacy pls gib.
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Re: Vive la France: Let's Play Rule the Waves 2
« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2020, 08:44:15 am »

January 1915

On the advice of the readership, I'm doing two things with an eye toward saving money and modernizing our forces:

  • Bringing home the last of the Tages on overseas service and scrapping them. Being obsolete, they cost more to maintain—a substantial fraction of a new dreadnought's maintenance. In their place, I'm going to send the remaining Chateaurenaults overseas, since that was their original purpose.

  • Scrapping two more Gueydons. They were never very combat-effective, and the Tridents will make better aircraft carrier conversions anyway.


I'll likely aim to build more light cruisers and destroyers in this update, although I also intend to keep one or two dreadnought-type ships on the ways to avoid falling behind in the arms race. A two-Mediterranean-power standard is probably not quite within our grasp, but I want to at least give it a try.

February 1915



Blueprints for the Austrian Tegetthof-class, under construction, hit our desk. One thing to note is the relatively light armor. I've adopted the (real-world) German philosophy that a ship's first business is to stay afloat, and so far that's worked out.

Our two French naval engineers at the Parisian cafe have had the bright idea of a ship dedicated entirely to floatplane scouting. That option is open to us now, but I think I might be more inclined to request proposals for a floatplane scout, and then equip the next class of battleships with one.

August 1915

It has been an exceptionally quiet few months. A few ships enter service, including the first batch of four of the new Harpon destroyers. Another six are on the way, along with three more of the new(ish) Lavoisier light cruisers.

Both designs are a little long in the tooth now, so the next batch of destroyers and light cruisers will be to a newer one.

October 1915

Rising tensions in the Balkans (Germany again...) yield the budget to develop a newer class of 5900-ton light cruisers. The Troude is not armored as well as the Lavoisier, but has more torpedo tubes, more guns, and one knot more speed, necessary for her to keep ahead of some upcoming battlecruiser types.

November 1915

Germany asks us to reduce the size of our shipbuilding program. I choose the more polite of the two 'shove it' options.



It, uh, backfires a bit. An arms treaty goes into effect, limiting all powers to ships of 15,000 tons or less and main guns of 10" or less.

While this isn't ideal, it does mean we're in third place behind Britain and the United States in the dreadnought race, and we're going to be until 1935. On the downside, our medium gun research is not great. Our 8", 9", and 10" guns are all -1 quality, and I don't think it would be wise to build a new pocket battlecruiser around those calibers yet.

December 1915

Scrapping the illegal ships under construction makes us a ton of money, and with it, I embark upon quiet a large modernization program. We have five new light cruisers building, and twelve new destroyers, along with ten new submarines. It also seems like a decent opportunity to build a seaplane carrier or two. After all, we aren't spending it on very much else.

February 1916

At last, something to upgrade our battleships with.



A program of airbase construction yields two: one on the south end of Corsica, to cover the west-central Mediterranean and French home waters, and one in Brest to cover the Atlantic coast. At present, each one houses a squadron of 10 fighters and a squadron of 10 flying boats.

Along with the air wings for the two seaplane carriers under construction, that gives us 50 naval aircraft, a world-leading total.

August 1916

Funds are a bit tight as our battleships go through the rebuild process, but we're staying ahead of the game.

Now seems like a good time to spring for enhanced gunnery training. We have a large and powerful battleship fleet we can't replace for another 231 months, and the last thing we want to do is lose it because of poor shooting.

January 1917

An exceptionally boring two years (with the exception, perhaps, of the naval treaty) comes to a close.

Fleet Summary



Here's our list of non-destroyer ships in current service. Of note, the two Redoubtables are missing because they're being updated to director firing. Also, Lyon and Marseilles, originally constructed as battlecruisers, are now counted as battleships—24 knots is no longer battlecruiser speed.

That means that Tourville and Dunkerque will end up counting as battleships, too, when we rebuild them, unless I take the opportunity to upgrade their machinery for better speed. (If we want to do that, we should probably wait until 1920—we'll be able to turn them into oil-burners, which will make them faster.) So, should I let them turn into battleships, upgrade their fire control and machinery now, or defer an update until 1920?

Also noteworthy: our original Tage-class light cruisers have all been retired, leaving the still-elderly Chateaurenaults as our primary source of overseas influence. New Lavoisiers and Trondes are on the way. It may eventually make sense to build another overseas-service light cruiser with extended range and colonial service equipment, especially given the lesser demands on the naval budget.

Finally, as for destroyers, we have 16 modern Harpon-class ships in service now. The older Pistolets and Balistes join them in active service, while the remaining Fauconneaus and Francisques are mothballed, ready for activation in case of war to take on trade protection duties. (Destroyers cost so little to maintain that there's no reason not to hang onto them for this use.)



Under construction, we have the two Redoutables, as mentioned earlier, along with five new light cruisers and two seaplane carriers.

Future construction plans are a little up in the air. The naval treaty means we can't build any new dreadnoughts. The 15,000-ton limit is pretty restrictive, and suggests that a new heavy cruiser program might be in order. A top-of-the-line, 28-knot, 9x10"-gun cruiser (the latter characteristic being the largest caliber armament allowed, the former being faster than the pre-treaty battlecruisers still prowling the seas) costs about 2,200 funds per month, but our 10" guns are still -1 quality. That makes them quite a bit less attractive. Should we forge ahead with heavy cruisers anyway, wait for research, or ignore the type altogether?

I plan on upgrading our battleships to oil fuel one or two at a time when oil becomes generally available, which will save on machinery weight and allow me to increase their speed (or, alternately, add anti-aircraft guns when we figured that out).



One unexpected outcome of the naval treaty is that we're comfortably third in dreadnought ships behind England and the US, and will be for some time to come. The timing worked out very well for us.

Diplomacy Summary



Tensions have been creeping higher with Germany again, which is both good (our battle line is better than theirs because the treaty halted their building program too) and bad (we don't have England to help out this time).

Austria-Hungary remains resolutely immune to my many and varied provocations.

Progress has been limited on locating a new ally.

General Summary



As I mentioned, we're spending money on gunnery training for the first time, and our naval aircraft budget line item is slowly beginning to grow.

Our prestige remains at an all-time high. I elected to skip dock expansions for the time being, given that we can't use them.

Final Notes

It's likely I'm going to miss next week—this weekend is a very busy one, and I don't know if I'm going to have the time to get in two years of gameplay in the middle of it all.

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Re: Vive la France: Let's Play Rule the Waves 2
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2020, 11:13:16 am »

Wait for research, ally Austria-Hungary, conquer Europe, ??, profit!
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« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2020, 10:03:21 pm »

Tourville and Dunkerque will need a rebuild in 1918 to avoid being obsolete.  It would make sense to upgrade them with directors only right now while we have the extra budget and nothing to spend it on.  Maybe when they're done we will have zero or higher rated 10" or 9" guns, and a heavy cruiser can be built.  It makes sense to have one to fight off surface raiders, or lead cruiser forces in the active navy.

The naval treaty was a great boon: it allows us to focus on what we need to focus on, and keeps us from having to worry about the dreadnought race.

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« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2020, 02:55:03 am »

Whats with Germany trying to start shit, its like they want us to kick their ass again.

Also +1 to allying with Austria-Hungary.
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« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2020, 02:00:56 pm »

Whats with Germany trying to start shit, its like they want us to kick their ass again.

Also +1 to allying with Austria-Hungary.

Whenever any country in this game does that, I usually grant their request for another ass kicking.  I usually grabbed whatever land I wanted in the first war, but the war budget is nice, and reparations are also nice.

Ordinarily, allying with Austria-Hungary would be pointless, but I'm going to put +1 vote on that idea, just to humiliate the Germans.
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« Reply #72 on: March 20, 2020, 08:26:35 am »

With social distancing in full swing and last week's break, I had plenty of time for a two-year update, and it's an eventful one.

January 1917

Four ships go into the yards for a rebuild: Tourville and Dunkerque, the two remaining Duquesnes, along with Redoubtable and Marengo, our second-generation dreadnought battleships. Per a reader note, we have the time and budget. The Duquesnes, for whatever reason, will be in for a year—perhaps being overhauled because of their age?

February 1917



Or do we?

I'll issue the ultimatum to Italy; they're nearby, and we can totally take them.

Tensions are high, but not to the breaking point yet. I order the rebuilding of our battleships accelerated.

March 1917

French naval engineers have managed to come up with a quality 9" gun, which means it's time for a heavy cruiser.



Thoroughly modern-looking! We'll have to get a few into production.

July 1917

No change on the tension situation, but with design studies now complete on the Montcalm class, the first one enters production, with the next to start in August.

August 1917

Just in time for a new ship class to enter service and most of our battleships to finish a rebuild cycle, we develop anti-aircraft guns.

October 1917

The Italians couldn't stand our repeated provocations. War begins.

The first battle of the war: a raid on enemy coastal installations. It's just after midday. One notable new thing is the presence of aviation elements: floatplanes from our airbase on Corsica, zeppelins from the base at Tunis (which could stand to have an airfield, I think).



Our forces are the fast battleships (ex-battlecruisers) Lyon and Marseilles, each armed with 6 15" guns and capable of 24 knots, escorted by five destroyers.

Happening upon two old armored cruisers, the Lyons, unblooded in the last war, prove their worth quickly. Seven hits on one of the Italian cruisers and eight on the other prove sufficient to sink the two old ships.

Either French gunnery or French technology has improved sufficiently to score hits dealing critical damage to the enemy at something like 20,000 yards.

The enemy fleet was out in force, however, and when the fog of war lifts at the end of the battle, we find them not too far behind us.



November 1917

The Italians decline a fleet battle—probably the right move, in view of our overwhelming superiority.

December 1917

And again, they decline a cruiser battle.

January 1918

The French fleet sorties in response to an Italian coastal raid. It's a beautiful morning, and the enemy is in sight.



The Battle of Nice

On the field today are eight French battleships (four of which were originally battlecruisers, reclassified after their last rebuild), one battlecruiser in the scouting force, a bevy of light cruisers and destroyers, and a number of aircraft. The weather is partly cloudy with a gentle breeze out of the southwest.

10:08 a.m.



The situation is already favorable: the Italian fleet is divided, with the battlecruisers to the east of our fleet and the battleships to the south. As I recall, the Italian battleship line is slower than our own, so that's where my focus will be at first.

... the aftermath (or is it?)

In the final reckoning, it goes down as a boring battle. The Italians are faster than we are all around. Their battle line escapes. We sink an old pre-dreadnought, exchange a lot of shells to no great effect, and turn away as the Italian fleet does the same, both battered, none reduced.

Except that's not what happens. Overnight, on the 12-knot journey back home, we come across one of the Italian Francisco Ferruccios, which blows up in a flash fire.

Then, shooting between our scouting force and our main force comes the entire Italian battlecruiser squadron.



At 4,000 yards. At night. Into our swarm of 20-some destroyers.

The carnage is incredible. At the end of the day, all four Italian battlecruisers lie on the bottom of the Mediterranean, against zero French warships lost. Merest happenstance made it happen—the Italians, pushed to the southwest, made a high-speed run toward the coast to attempt to evade us in the night, and chanced to run right into us, at the range where our superior number of destroyers gave them no chance to escape.

February 1918



Italy makes a historical blunder.

The month's battle is a coastal raid; the lone French battlecruiser Rouen takes a little jaunt in toward Italy, supported by a division of three battleships, blows up a bombardment target, and returns to Nice. Another thousand victory points, nice and easy-like.

Italy being close to France, we're actually within invasion range. We'll target Sardinia, which would be a wonderful feather in our cap and a second unsinkable aircraft carrier in close proximity to the Italian coast.

March 1918

Evidently, the invasion planning process is faster than I had hitherto realized. It's the early afternoon of March 29th, and we're approaching the western coast of Sardinia with an invasion force in tow.

The Invasion of Sardinia (1:37 p.m., March 29)

I'm going to have to mark this one up a bit.



Update: I forgot to mark it up before uploading it. I'll just have to be better at describing things.

  • Selected: the scouting force. The battlecruiser Rouen is joined by a pair of modern light cruisers and five destroyers.
  • West-southwest of the scouting force: the main fleet. Our three most modern battleships (Requin, sole member of her class, plus Marseilles and Marengo), along with supporting light cruisers and destroyers.
  • South of the scouting force: the support force. Three older ships (Devastation, Tourville, and Dunkerque) serve as distant escort to six transports.
  • Southwest of the scouting force: the invasion force. Six transports, of which four have to reach the Sardinian coast for this mission to count as a success.
  • On the Sardinian coast: our objective marker, along with submarines assigned in support of the fleet.



New things to worry about: aerial scouting! Ordinarily, the defaults are good enough, but in this case, with the enemy's likely approach routes well-defined, I'll tweak things a bit to see that we catch them.

2:00 p.m.

The two forces under my direct command (the main force and the scouting force) split off to the north and east of the northeastward line of advance the transports will have. They'll form a sort of search line, keeping the sea between them in visual range while positioning themselves to make a quick dash to the flanks if need be.

2:47 p.m.



Aerial reconnaissance being, in 1918, rather a slow affair, our ships spot the enemy first.

3:00 p.m.

A second light cruiser appears. A search line, perhaps?

At this stage, the goal is to find and engage the enemy before dusk, after which he'll have a much easier time of getting in among my transports. Rouen leaps forward, turbines whirring up to speed as she accelerates to her maximum 27 knots.

3:22 p.m.



What passes for the Italian battle line comes into view.

3:39 p.m.



Rouen opens fire, aiming to pass to the east of the enemy battleships, where she can keep tabs on them into the evening.

The main force closes toward gun range.

3:42 p.m.

Requin scores with her first volley.

These Italian dreadnoughts are of the Andrea Doria class, rough contemporaries with our Duquesnes. They're armed with ten 13" guns, and can fire a maximum of eight of them broadside. Our Requin, though it only has 12" guns, mounts twelve, and can fire all twelve at a broadside target.

Armor, however, is where we really look smart. Requin has a 14" belt. The Andrea Dorias have 9.5". Even Rouen, our notional battlecruiser, is more heavily armored.

3:52 p.m.



The fleet is nearly perfectly placed for this battle, running on either side of the Italian ships at long range. Although Marengo can only make 22 knots, the rest of our fleet can keep up with or surpass the Italian dreadnoughts in speed.

4:52 p.m.



The Italian light cruisers, off to the northwest, try an attack on the battle line. We'll see if they manage to get through the screen.

The Andrea Dorias are both down to around 10 knots now.

5:46 p.m.

One of the Andrea Dorias goes up in a flash fire. At 5:53, the other follows in the same manner.

19:22 p.m. (and overnight)

Night sees the remains of the Italian fleet scatter. We manage to find the transports, taking up station on either side to cover them through the night.



Aftermath

The invasion is in progress. Soon, hopefully, Sardinia will fall.

April 1918

The invasion doesn't take long to bear fruit. Sardinia is ours.

May 1918

Stubbornly refusing to surrender, the Italians lose a pair of light cruisers to Rouen, who proceeds otherwise unopposed on a coastal raid.

June 1918

Well now, what's all this about?



And, in news concerning the unluckiest name in the French Navy...



This is the third Lavoisier lost in combat. Who wants to skipper the next one?

July 1918

Now that CVLs are on the table, our last Gueydon class (Amiral Charner) gets a rebuild as a light aircraft carrier. Replacement machinery increases her speed to 26 knots, and she has room for an air wing of 22. She'll be ready in a year.

Tensions are on the rise with Germany, but the sympathy of the world is with us.

August 1918

A quiet month; the Italians don't even bother stopping a raid on their coast by a pair of light cruisers.

September 1918

The Italians move to raid the French coast, at which time the French fleet comes out to play.

In particular, Rouen comes out to play; the battlecruiser is as fast as the Italian light forces, and easily sends them to the bottom with accurate fire from her 12" guns.

October 1918

Rouen and escorts attack an Italian convoy, which is defended by a single destroyer. Thirteen merchants sink.

November 1918

Two light cruisers raid the boot of Italy, coming within about twenty miles of Taranto, sinking two corvettes and returning to Greece (also a French possession, if you'd forgotten).

There are rumors of falling morale in the Italian fleet.

We begin construction of air bases in Benghazi, Libya and Patra, Greece, which will provide coverage of the west coast of Italy.

December 1918

I put in a request to France's aircraft manufacturers for a torpedo bomber, something to give the air fleet some teeth. After that, we'll update the fighters. See the end of this post for some questions on aircraft design priorities.

The month's battle is a raid on the Italian coast. Rouen takes a torpedo, but since she's a modern warship with good torpedo protection, she's fine. We sink the destroyer that launched it, too.

Spies deliver blueprints of one of the Italian heavy cruisers under construction: slightly superior to our own in armament, but one knot slower.



January 1919

In this last month of the update, I start planning an invasion of Eritrea, which is, I believe, the last Italian territory small enough to invade. The battle is a convoy attack, in which we sink almost the whole convoy again.

Two-Year Report: Status



Money is a bit tight, with the invasion of Eritrea costing about as much as a low-end heavy cruiser would, but I'm not especially concerned. The fleet is in tip-top shape. Under construction is Rouen's sister ship, a trio of Montcalm-class heavy cruisers, one more Troude-class light cruiser, Amiral Charner's reconstruction, and the last of a class of corvettes designed to supplement the remaining Francisques.

Our prestige is at an all-time high.

Two-Year Report: Diplomacy



Tensions with Germany are high, but when the war with Italy ends (provided Germany doesn't jump in), they'll reset.

Plans and Intentions

There are a few things on my list:

  • Continue to try to find an ally. I'm not sure if there's anything I can do on that front beyond just being nice to people.
  • Build out our aircraft carrier capabilities.
  • Build a new, 14" dreadnought battleship, possibly retiring the old Duquesnes or converting them to aircraft carriers, as time and budget allows.
  • Build a new class of destroyer, mounting the recently-invented depth charge.
  • Begin refitting older ships with anti-aircraft guns.

How should those tasks be prioritized? Should any of them be dropped? Should others be added?

I mentioned something about aircraft priorities earlier. When soliciting aircraft designs, we can pick among a number of priorities: speed, maneuverability, range, toughness, firepower, and reliability. We can further pick two to focus on. Which two should we focus on?

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Re: Vive la France: Let's Play Rule the Waves 2
« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2020, 10:52:13 am »

We're (nearly) unstoppable! \o/

And yes, about time we invest in air force. I wholeheartedly approve of torpedo bombers.
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« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2020, 06:58:31 pm »

For aircraft, especially early on, I always prioritize range.
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