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Author Topic: Untamed Virus Containment Thread:COVID-19: Lurking Omni-Flu Edition  (Read 412685 times)

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« Reply #1905 on: March 31, 2020, 09:14:49 am »

Bush meat consumption in China is exaggerated. It is unconventional food that some people try out to show off. Some may genuinely believe its healthy benefit, but mostly it's just some rich/bold people showing off. The market in Wuhan is in the same block of a police station. It provides raw material to nearby restaurants where officials hold their luxurious banquets... average Chinese definitely consume less wild animal than average Central African, probably even less than rural American - rifle is strictly forbidden, and there aren't many wild life to hunt for average villagers due to severe deforestration. Only poachers have the incentive to hunt in remote forest - mostly by trapping - because bush meat is sold at high price.

In a word, bush meat is expensive and uncommon.

SARS and COV19 get out of control because coronavirus doesn't kill the patient immediately, so they spread around the world. It is more important to find ways to discover epidemic early and act in time than to focus on bush meat which is far from the biggest problem in China.

It is always easier to blame China for eating wild animal than to actually push for freedom of speech and journalists' safety.

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« Reply #1906 on: March 31, 2020, 10:25:37 am »

More nationwide bans in Poland.

Closure of parks, playgrounds, beaches, hotels and all hotel-like objects. And botanical gardens, zoological gardens, hairdressers, tatoo salons, cosmetic salons (I think that most or all of them was closed already).

And for some reason renting bicycles is also banned.

Note that hotels and short term rent is closed since 2 April. All people staying there will evicted (wat) on 2 Apriil.

Limited capacity of all vehicles with more than 9 people to half of seats (only public transport was affected so far), with cars exempt.

Factories/offices must close or ensure at least 1.5m of separation and supply of gloves.

Limited shop capacity to 3 * till count. So shop with 3 tills may have up to 9 customers. Shops also must supply gloves to clients.

Between 10 and 12 shops limited to people with age 65 and more.

Minimum 2m between pedestrians, including families. Wheelchairs, children, people unable to move on their own are exempt.

Children of age below 18 not allowed to leave home without an adult.

Government offices are obligated to move to remote access whenever possible.
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« Reply #1907 on: March 31, 2020, 10:30:56 am »

Trump just openly implied NYC hospitals are involved in an organized face mask stealing racket, probably to explain-away shortages. It's not the administration's fault you can't get facemasks it's those evil doctors: "it's worse than hoarding ... they're going out the back door"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job

The most likely explanation of the baffling outburst is that Trump's been humiliated by having to backtrack on his plans to re-open the economy by Easter, so instead of having people focus on that, he's concocted this fake "doctors stealing all the facemasks" conspiracy theory for us to focus on instead.
State officials facing a shortage of masks and ventilators have asked Washington for help getting the supplies to protect health care workers and treat patients with the deadly coronavirus.
 
"They can get them faster by getting them on their own," Trump told reporters at the White House. "In other words, go through a supply chain that they may have because the governors, during normal times, the governors buy a lot of things, not necessarily through the federal government."
You know on second thought, this isn't technically a contradiction.  The governors just have to strike a deal with these imaginary boogeymen "supply chains".
I don't think I care for modern lying, where's the art?  The love of the craft?  It's like when they just fling paint at the canvas and contextualize what sticks, or place an old yellow banana against a wall.
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« Reply #1908 on: March 31, 2020, 10:57:41 am »

Meanwhile in Belarus, the first corona death has been confirmed by president Loekasjenko.  The official number of infected is 152.
No measures at all have been taken in the country.

Football competitions still continue, nothing is closed, and the president remains on his stance that 'it is better to die standing than to die on your knees'.

His advice to the 9.5 million inhabitants of Belarus:

- Go work in the countryside. The tractors and fields heal everything
- go to saunas a lot, the virus can't stand the heat
- play icehockey (last saturday, the president himself played in an amateur icehockey competition)

According to the president, this crisis is an excellent time to promote Belarus football while all other professional football in the world has ceased.
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« Reply #1909 on: March 31, 2020, 11:06:12 am »

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-27/coronavirus-response-trump-policy-on-ventilators-is-puzzling-k8a3u9x1

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Item: “The White House suddenly called off a venture to produce as many as 80,000 ventilators, out of concern that the estimated $1 billion price tag would be prohibitive.”

Item: Donald Trump on Thursday night said: “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You know, you go into major hospitals sometimes and they’ll have two ventilators. Now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”

It ... just staggers any ability to by cynical if you know what I mean.

"Now all of a sudden". Oh yeah, a very sudden an unexplained need for more ventilators.
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« Reply #1910 on: March 31, 2020, 11:14:02 am »

Let's hope there's some filantrope billionaire who can spare a lousy billion to place the order instead
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« Reply #1911 on: March 31, 2020, 11:14:56 am »

Also what was the size of that economic bailout again? This is small change compared to all of that, and it is money put to actual good use.
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« Reply #1912 on: March 31, 2020, 11:15:53 am »

What do you mean, they've already got two ventilators, how greedy can they get? They'll just go out the back door of the hospital to be smuggled out for profit anyway :/

Maybe Trump's just projecting since he's a scammy fuck who would steal medical supplies for profit if he ran a hospital, so he assumes everyone else would do it too, and is just lying about how much they need and how the stuff is used.
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« Reply #1913 on: March 31, 2020, 11:34:44 am »

Yeah, maybe Jeff Bezos with his billions of warehouse torture and tax evasion money can chip in a bit here, seeing how much philanthropy and goodwill he wants you to believe he has towards the box-hauling common folk? Or at least give back a fraction of, you know, the millions that would have gone into public coffers by now, had said coffers not been guarded by spineless shills?
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« Reply #1914 on: March 31, 2020, 11:45:56 am »

No, he's too busy having his warehouses fire strike leaders who just wanted a sanitizing crew:

https://www.theroot.com/amazon-employee-says-he-was-fired-for-staging-walkout-t-1842584349
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« Reply #1915 on: March 31, 2020, 12:02:30 pm »

Well, Elon Musk at least is distributing 1200+ ventilors, with Tesla possibly starting to produce them too partnering with Medtronic. (not sure about the price of the produced ones, if they manage to)

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« Reply #1916 on: March 31, 2020, 12:21:25 pm »

Bush meat consumption in China is exaggerated. It is unconventional food that some people try out to show off. Some may genuinely believe its healthy benefit, but mostly it's just some rich/bold people showing off. The market in Wuhan is in the same block of a police station. It provides raw material to nearby restaurants where officials hold their luxurious banquets... average Chinese definitely consume less wild animal than average Central African, probably even less than rural American - rifle is strictly forbidden, and there aren't many wild life to hunt for average villagers due to severe deforestration. Only poachers have the incentive to hunt in remote forest - mostly by trapping - because bush meat is sold at high price.

In a word, bush meat is expensive and uncommon.

SARS and COV19 get out of control because coronavirus doesn't kill the patient immediately, so they spread around the world. It is more important to find ways to discover epidemic early and act in time than to focus on bush meat which is far from the biggest problem in China.

It is always easier to blame China for eating wild animal than to actually push for freedom of speech and journalists' safety.

It's not about eating wild animals. Eating wild animals is extremely common here in Sweden (iirc ca 30% of the population here have hunting licenses, in Finland it's even higher), for example.

It's the markets such as the one it started at. It's about the trading of live animals under unsanitary conditions. Wuhan's rich elite can rest safe in that preventing Sars-3 doesn't mean they have to give up eating bats. Their restaurants just have to buy them dead and frozen instead of alive.
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« Reply #1917 on: March 31, 2020, 12:36:15 pm »

Local hackerspace started production of sanitary visors, with batch of 3000 for a start.

They are using project created by Hackerspace Warszawa, they started distribution to hospitals and medical facilities.

Non profit action, visors are distributed for free (though they are asking for donations to produce more).
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« Reply #1918 on: March 31, 2020, 02:30:13 pm »

My state's information says that the age range of people whose death is attributed to COVID-19 is between 25 and 107 years.

107!?
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« Reply #1919 on: March 31, 2020, 02:31:03 pm »

There was a report of a 101 year old surviving it in China.
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