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MeimieFan88

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Re: Music Creation Thread
« Reply #90 on: October 28, 2021, 02:04:04 am »

Thanks dude, I made a fuller chiptune song (that sounds a lot better)

https://soundcloud.com/scoopdjm/terrible-feast?si=77049acd56f646a192366759f66a06a5

Neat! Sounds like some sort of dark church o.O
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« Reply #91 on: October 28, 2021, 01:37:10 pm »

Thanks very much! Yea... I love Castlevanias music and im trying to understand it and break it down a little.

ALSO, yknow, I figure this is a good resource for those of us who love music but are terrible musicians:

BeepBox
https://www.beepbox.co/

and it's expanded modded offspring, JummBox
https://jummbus.bitbucket.io/

These two tools (uh, I guess really the same tool) are probably the easiest way to start making music for anyone who knows a little music theory, but doesnt want to dive in to the extremely powerful, but extremely complex DAWs that seem common these days. It's capable of good bit on its own, but it's also very accessible! The BeepBox community also has its own subreddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Beepbox/top/?t=all
If anyone is interested, check it out to see some of the songs people have made--its pretty impressive stuff!
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Re: Music Creation Thread
« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2021, 04:28:37 pm »

I didn't know this thread existed, going to have to keep an eye on it!
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« Reply #93 on: November 05, 2021, 11:10:37 am »

I want to take time to read and listen to what everyone says first, but I'm posting to say that I produce music too! My stuff is mostly hip-hop-ish in sound and it's remarkably unpolished since I'm still new, but making music fills me with so much joy. I'm glad I found people of similar interests! :D
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« Reply #94 on: November 05, 2021, 12:20:51 pm »

I too was working on some new tracks recently, as well as remastering old ones, translating some songs, wasn't able to finish all the projects as of yet. But there is one I can post progress of.

Qálkr koqelev, a song about kvaksulu conquest overseas. This is part of the instrumental, after this should come the more aggressive "chorus" part, with a bit of a turn in terms of melody and overall feel, but that's yet to be mixed. Hope you'll enjoy.

Also hello Urist, very nice to see you here! Same goes for all the new faces.

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« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2021, 02:08:13 am »

I too was working on some new tracks recently, as well as remastering old ones, translating some songs, wasn't able to finish all the projects as of yet. But there is one I can post progress of.

Qálkr koqelev, a song about kvaksulu conquest overseas. This is part of the instrumental, after this should come the more aggressive "chorus" part, with a bit of a turn in terms of melody and overall feel, but that's yet to be mixed. Hope you'll enjoy.

Ooh very medievally! I really like the part at about 0:40. It kind of reminds me of Frog's Theme from Chrono Trigger. Curious to hear the chorus part!
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« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2021, 08:51:28 am »

Considering that I just spent 3 months living with 11 people making mostly pop- and hip-hop-style music, it was actually really refreshing to hear everyone's being so different from one another. Some of them are very sample-able. I think the songs I made that would resonate most with you all based on what I heard are "Space Hulk for SNES" (closer to a true chiptune theme for a game) and "Pixelpunk Crack House" (chiptune-inspired beat).

The songs that more closely reflect sounds I want to make in the future are my most recent ones: "Anhedonia" and "'give me gf or give me death'-type beat".
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« Reply #97 on: November 06, 2021, 10:39:58 am »

Nice stuff y'all!

Guess I'll contribute with some old unfinished-forever-wip stuff. Haven't really composed anything new for 2-3 years. Instead I've tried to rework some of my older tracks, though motivation has been low. I try to do some kind of instrumental chiptunish (as in it's original tracker music definition) music, but don't limit myself to a certain amount of channels or size constraints. I avoid using external effects and use mainly chip samples (short, looped waveforms) and stuff from the Amiga ST-XX pack. Software used: OpenMPT and Audacity.

Here's a couple DF inspired tracks that need just some finishing touches, a couple minor changes and mastering (which is sorcery to me, so I ask someone else to do it usually):

Strike the Earth! (working title)
The Exhilarated Baron And The Enraged Badger

Also, a rough draft of a third DF inspired track (sounds flat, pretty non-existent stereo and sounds are prone to change, but you get the main idea from it, I guess):

Read («-obsidian-bound codex-») (wip)

...And if someone is interested, I released an "album" around five years ago after a ten year break in composing. It's a bit meh, but I did the tracks within a month and released them pretty much in draft form:

https://youtu.be/-CuVi8n14Xw

I'm mainly posting these here to hear some opinions of the first three, so as to possibly get motivation to finish them or should I just ditch them and do something else. :)

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« Reply #98 on: November 06, 2021, 11:38:23 am »

Said it before and I'll say it again, this is some good stuff, BB. It's confident, has nice ambience to it but is also interesting in terms of melodies, there's an idea behind it.

The obsidian codex, yeah, sounds rough  :P But I'm sure you'll do wonders with it in due time.

The Baron/Badger one did put a smile on my face. Ohoho, I thought, dem oldy intervals! Similar thing going on over at mine, there're these two main woodwinds mimicking the (as of yet nonexistent) two voices singing the song, keeping a certain distance. And of course, powerful fifths to end on, medievally indeed.

Have yet to listen to the album, but my hopes are pretty high  ;)



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« Reply #99 on: November 07, 2021, 05:59:00 am »

Said it before and I'll say it again, this is some good stuff, BB. It's confident, has nice ambience to it but is also interesting in terms of melodies, there's an idea behind it.
Thanks! It's funny that most people who I've had listen to my tracks have had similar comments on my melodies. I really don't think much about them when composing, but I'm quite content how they turn out taking into consideration that I have basically no understanding of music theory and such.

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The Baron/Badger one did put a smile on my face.

Haha, there's a story behind the track (ok, there's a story behind all of them): it was my first fort after taverns were added (I think?), and a baron came visiting, being all jolly and so. Then when he was leaving he ran into a badger that became enraged, attacked the baron, but got it's ass kicked badly. Nothing super special there, but then one day I was listening to Horna (this track) with a housemate and the main riff sounded to me like somebody punching a badger, and thus I got the idea for the track. :D

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Have yet to listen to the album, but my hopes are pretty high  ;)
It's quite different than my "newer" tracks. More of a old school demoscene/keygen chiptune vibe to it with bits and pieces of melodies stolen from game and movie soundtracks. And I really didn't spend much time composing it (in fact I spent waaay more time doing the accompanying artwork), but the few who have heard it have mostly liked it, I guess.

Qálkr koqelev, a song about kvaksulu conquest overseas. This is part of the instrumental, after this should come the more aggressive "chorus" part, with a bit of a turn in terms of melody and overall feel, but that's yet to be mixed. Hope you'll enjoy.

Ooh, I liked this one. Looking to hear more at some point!

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« Reply #100 on: November 07, 2021, 07:04:26 am »

Said it before and I'll say it again, this is some good stuff, BB. It's confident, has nice ambience to it but is also interesting in terms of melodies, there's an idea behind it.
Thanks! It's funny that most people who I've had listen to my tracks have had similar comments on my melodies. I really don't think much about them when composing, but I'm quite content how they turn out taking into consideration that I have basically no understanding of music theory and such.

It's important to mention, though, you can definitely tell when someone has no idea what they're doing and just mashing stuff together  :P This isn't the case. I'm quite surprised you say you don't know the theory, based on what I've heard I would put you in the category of those who "know their stuff".

Funny enough, something my organ teacher told me a couple of days back, there are these organists who naturally "get" the conventions of certain period of music, so can flawlessly improvise let's say baroque, romanticistic, whatever, but struggle with the others, and avoid learning them cuz they lazy  :P as it's a ton of hard work, so unless they're studying in a country with a strong tradition like Germany or the Netherlands they'll come out kinda half-assed. I think you posess this ability of absorbing game soundtracks, then being able to replicate them in a certain way. After all, that's what music is all about in its core, you listening something and being able to "play it". And I can often see this with musicians outside of the OG tradition, it's all the more impressive.

Something I struggle with for example is the ambience, the kinda "soundtrack-y" feel of music. A while back I've been mentioning the Steppenwolf (the game, not the band) soundtracks, and they're so unbelievably tense, really capturing whatever scenario they need to each episode. Yeah, I can't do this for the life of me  :D, but might be getting onto something... Also beats and drums in general. What... What do you do with those?

Qálkr koqelev, a song about kvaksulu conquest overseas. This is part of the instrumental, after this should come the more aggressive "chorus" part, with a bit of a turn in terms of melody and overall feel, but that's yet to be mixed. Hope you'll enjoy.

Ooh, I liked this one. Looking to hear more at some point!

Thanks a lot! I'll see how fast I'll advance with this one, I got a new software and I'm still not very used to it, but there are other things in life than mixing, fortunately. Recently I've found some interest in operas, and overall how to use certain figures, cadences etc. to set an atmosphere, so I started working on a short musical theathre scene of the kvaksa folk, of a killer getting arrested. I'm 75% done with the composition I would say, I would like to record a live performance of the thing, featuring the biggest cast you'll ever find, that is, the one-man army, an organist and an organ.



Oh, and I would be rude not to address Wilfred! Hello there!

The Space hulk, takes a bit till it gets going, but the idea's nice! See potential there.

The Pixelpunk Crack house, now that's some good stuff! Not a whole going on in certain parts, but it just all works together. Really liked this one. The "Hear the silence" made me die laughing, this rocks!

Anhedonia, kinda chill and light, also very nice. Give me gf or give me death, similar thoughts, the sample use is amazing.

Safe to say, you also know your stuff  ;)


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« Reply #101 on: November 08, 2021, 12:04:47 pm »

Would've put an edit onto the post above but it's quite massive as it is.

I've put together a kind of simulation of my vision for the kvaksulu opera nonsense - it's quite a dynamic scene, so it jumps a bit, but I tried to make some decent bridges. All is subject to change, especially the second half, melodies for the singers might need a tweaking, have yet to see how plausible they are in REAL LOIF but should be okay. This is purely to test the composition, and give myself some outline for organ, it's gonna sound a lot nicer with proper instruments, also the tempo may be altered.

Here it is - "The lámr comes". The murderer, Rapak, once a great hero, is hiding in his house, when a lámr (justiciar) comes to arrest him with an angry mob.

0:00 - Rapak laments over his deeds and fate
0:32 - The lámr is coming, interlude
0:55 - Key change, a shift for the choir-like mob
1:00 - The crowd cries out to Rapak, telling him to come out
1:14 - The lámr himself speaks to Rapak
1:26 - Key change to Rapak's "home" key
1:32 - Rapak states he isn't going to give himself up, and uses his magical drum to invoke terror within the mob
2:00 - The mob hesitates, and ultimately scatter in fear
2:18 - A sudden key change to major, kind of
2:24 - The lámr prays for strength, struggles with the spell
2:54 - Lámr overcomes the spell and speaks to Rapak once again
3:06 - Rapak flees, ending the song
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« Reply #102 on: November 08, 2021, 10:38:03 pm »

I think that worked quite well! Didn't notice any sudden jumps to new parts, so your bridges did the trick, at least for me. Can't really say about the choral/song parts as I have zero experience in song, but the melodies seemed plausible to sing.

Really liked the shift around the 2 minute mark and the accompanying melody, great one there!

Choirs are actually something I'd like to implement into my tracks, but it's currently just not possible with my setup: haven't found an appropriate choir sample from the Amiga pack I'm using (there's some that I use here and there, but nothing that would really work as a lead melody). An option would be to buy a choir library, but goddamn those are expensive and completely out of reach for someone as broke af as me (also, it'd sort break the concept I've been using to do my music, but then again I do use some atmosphere samples that are not Amiga/chiptune stuff).

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« Reply #103 on: November 09, 2021, 02:40:51 am »

Yeah libraries in general are something I can't afford, am really grateful for the free stuff I got for the Qálkr song. Hope you'll get something you're looking for, I'm already imagining your tracks with choirs - that could be even more atmospheric.

I'm also really not knowledgeable in terms of choirs, I did only a few peasant tunes before, what I used here is a standard organist setup for most church songs and stuff where you have four voices (representing soprano, alto, tenor, bass) at once, and you control their movement to make a harmony in a certain way - soprano is the main melody, bass does a sort of counter movement (if soprano goes up, it goes down and vice versa), the two middle voices kinda stick wherever they need to to make a harmonizing chord. A working setup, a professional in the craft should be able to "think" in it even where there's just the melody provided, and be able to harmonize it himself.

But the reason I'm so hyped about this project in particular, I didn't get much before the whole deal about telling a story through a song, or more specifically, how to do it myself. I'm really glad it didn't jump all over the places, I've never been making something this ambitious before. I have a feeling you'll be hearing more often from me now...  :P

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« Reply #104 on: December 11, 2021, 01:52:45 pm »

Friends, after numerous tries, I have finally managed to get a somewhat decent recording of my vision. There's still a bunch of mistakes (that's when u make some random music that you can play  :P) I'm not switching any registers during the playtime, which I kinda imagine changing between light/mysterious for the start and end and some firm, powerful registers in the middle part. Also worth noting, don't be jumpscared by my voice, due to me recording right from my position and the organ being made so that it works with the acoustic of the massive, high church, it's quite overwhelming compared to the instrument.

I've made some adjustments to the singer parts, as it's all sung by me here, some parts were undefined so I kinda made them up as I went. Also I didn't pronounce very well some words (that's when u make up some random language and can't speak it  :P), but I was quite surprised with myself of all that I did well.

Enough talking, here it is, should be accessible. Hope you'll find some value in it.

In the meantime I was working on two new tracks, another kvaksulu one that's halway done, I would say, need to make some kind of epic ending, and a DF inspired song, about a hero I found in legends that got inside such crazy events I just had to make a ballad about him. I have it somewhat thought out, just need to mix in the software.

I think I'll leave Qálkr koqelev as it is,  I was trying to make the chorus part but couldn't make it work.

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