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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #105 on: August 24, 2020, 03:23:46 am »

I went to Burger King for rubbery lumps chicken nuggets and Impossible Whoppers (tm).  I wanted a comfort food, or at least an excuse to drive.

By the time I got there, I had it negotiated down.  I love fries, and I had plenty of protein from my dad's fish dinner a few days ago.  I was only seeking flavor - and the "Impossible" Whopper would do that fine.

oh it's no longer in the $5 for 2 deal.
But I could get 5*8 nuggets of delicious chicken for that price
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I had two... "delicious" "fish" burgers.  Piscovegetarian maintained, also kudos to my father for bringing me delicious catches from the coast~

Now, I love fishcake.  I love how cheap it is.  I literally can't tell that it's the cheapest meat, my tongue is useless (well-!).  It is breaded protein in a simple, extraordinarily unobtrusive form.

But all the mayo, though.  Uuuugh.  That didn't feel good.  Eggs are good protein and I usually have no trouble consuming them, but something about mayo makes me queasy.

Why the fuck are the soyburgers a premium option
Where did the beanburgers go?  was that just Wendy's, am I insane, I mean yes obviously
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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #106 on: August 24, 2020, 05:08:32 am »

Swedish burger chain Max (lol OC do not steal) has a good series of vegetarian burgers right now apparently. I don't usually go for hamburger fast food but my brother convinced me to try their "Plant Beef" burger on a road trip. The guacamole I chose as an add-on was too cold, but the actual patty was pretty great.

The "plant beef" name is a swinglish pun on "biff" also meaning patty over here. Looking up what it's actually made of its soy and wheat. I thought it contained red beat to but it was just extract, which is a little disappointing. It looks very nice with the red colour too, soy often looks kinda äsch so it's a nice touch even if you're not supposed to eat fast food with your eyes.

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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #107 on: August 25, 2020, 08:48:54 pm »

I was doing research on the Burger King vegetarian options trying to find the bean burger I'm *sure* they used to offer.  They hid it in a special vegetarian section which I seem to remember shifting between multiple screens because they care that little capitalism.  I certainly would have taken it over the gross mayo-fish burger, and certainly not for vegan reasons.  I'm not even vegetarian, strictly.  I just like beans and bean protein+grain protein.  (Hence me craving Taco Bell despite some of the condiments destroying my innards when overconsumed.  Appropriately priced beans+grain with a reasonable convenience charge, on the road?  Muy bueno.)

Whereas the BK Impossible Whopper is nice and all, and I certainly enjoyed that time I got two of them for $5, but they no longer offer it with their regular sandwiches in that deal.  Gosh, maybe because it's fricken delicious but also somehow more expensive due to an ineffable line of IP and partnership.

Just give me a freakin bean burger, I know you offered it
And like 30 chicken nuggets for $5 jesus fucking christ fuck me up fam  noo.  mmpgh.
I was dissuaded by thinking about where those chickens would have been sourced from.  Not the NICE farms, no.

Anyway, there was some discussion in the laugh thread about companies considering dietary concerns.  Because this is Bay12- rails tell us how best to go offtrack.

I didn't spell it out there, but respect for dietary requirements is absolutely a matter of prejudice.

There are many reasons for a person to have a dietary requirement.  There's vegetarianism or veganism, obviously.  Celiacs or general gluten intolerance.  Religious strictures.  That-thing-what-the-deer-ticks-give-you-where-eating-any-mammal-or-dairy-makes-you-intensely-ill, which my ex-housemate had.  He was not the most careful, so I got to see the aftermath of that.  Fun times, let me tell you.

I personally am lucky in this regard, I just have some obscure thing where I can't eat clams or oysters anymore.  Shellfish allergy?  No, that would make sense, I can eat shrimp with impunity.  And it's a developed intolerance, which sucks because clam chowder and fresh oysters were among my favorite foods treat foods.

And my dad, being a complete psychopath, dosed my food with oysters and sure enough I was dry heaving for hours.  So it's fucking real.  I would have consented to a blind study over time, asshole!  And the results failed to convince him because jdsfkasdjf

Basically what I want to say is:  Those of you with religious strictures against consuming certain kinds of meat?  I am on your side.  We should be aware of what we're consuming, and should not be slipfed things against our morals.
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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #108 on: August 26, 2020, 12:24:14 am »

True enough, but that should be accomplished through transparency only.

EG, "Our product contains $Ingredient"

That leaves it up to the consumer to evaluate "$Ingredient is on my DENIED list.", and rightly choose not to order, when and where appropriate.

The issue, is when the customer goes to a place that has asserted "Our product contains $Ingredient", and demands "I WANT IT WITHOUT $INGREDIENT!", then makes some moral soapbox grandstand about it.

I get it-- people with celliac disease cannot eat gluten. If they do, it tears them up inside, both figurative and literal.  That said, perhaps that means they should avoid a bakery that specializes in whole wheat bread.  This is because, while it certainly *IS* possible to make bread without gluten (It requires some tricks involving alternative proteins for the bread matrix, such as adding glutamate "glue", or egg white, or some other binder), keeping the work area free of wheat flour (which contains gluten, and is what most of their products will be made with, so it needs a special work area with special ventilation, and special procedures to assure freedom of contamination) is an onerous imposition on the baker-- Especially since they SPECIALIZE IN WHEAT BREADS.   Demanding gluten free from such an establishment is just straight up pretentious.

The unmet demand there (demand for gluten free, but wheat bread specializing bakery cannot easily satisfy), if sufficient in the local economy, will result in specialist bakers that do not use wheat flour (and thus can assure gluten free status easily). 

Otherwise, the appropriate action is to bake your own bread, rather than raise holy hell about how the local baker does not cater to your dietary requirements.  You can assure that your bread does not contain any wheat or other gluten containing cereal grain flour that way.



There is nothing wrong with holding ethical exception to eating animals or animal products; but demanding concessions out of people that do not share that source of moral indignation, to the point of causing systemic disruption and public spectacle, is going too far, and is unacceptable.  It's just as annoying as having the Jahova's Witnesses beat on your door every morning, once they learn you are an atheist-- but with added economic consequences. (The special conditions that need to be met to observe the demands properly greatly reduces profitability of the business, and the vocal complaints on social media can drive down sales for "non-compliance"-- All because people refuse to be reasonable and be considerate of the circumstances of service providers along with their own needs, and instead want to prioritize their own needs 100%, 100% of the time.)

Take for instance, the frytop grill at a burger place.  Under normal operating conditions, you need to clean the frytop only after X number of patties have been fried.  However, once Vegan Social Warrior enters the building, you would *HAVE* to stop all other patties frying, thoroughly clean the frytop, THEN prepare the SINGLE vegan patty, before you can return to normal operations.  That introduces very significant lost opportunity penalties to the operator, especially if the order is made during a peak business hour.  "It took forever for my veggie burger! I will bitch on social media!" is a manifestation of this failure to comprehend the impact of the demand, from an establishment that does not specialize in vegetarian cuisine.    The same would also be true from an omnivorous patron, blundering into a vegan specialty shop, and demanding a fat greasy hamburger made with 100% pure beef.

I am pretty sure the vegan would consider such an oafish omnivorous patron to be simply unbearably intolerable, and would decry the action stridently-- but the inverse never seems to be considered at all. 

My angle here is not to say that vegans should never order vegan products from a national food chain--- Just that being conscientious themselves, will go a long way toward being treated conscientiously.  That means "No, dont get on your soapbox and throw a hissy fit; Understand that your order is an imposition, and respond accordingly."  It would be the equivalent of the omnivore showing up at the vegan fast food place, and stating "Hey, I know you don't normally serve this kind of food here-- please prepare all the other orders you have first, and then if you can, please make me a double cheese burger with bacon. I am patient, will wait contentedly, and will pay extra."  He is much more likely to get that double cheese burger at "Beans and Things", than the offish, "AHH WAN' MUH CHEEEESE BURGHA!" obstinate ass.  The same is true of the ethical vegetarian, going to Burger King.


Sadly, all too often, vegans tend to be in the "Holier than thou art" category. (like the omnivorous tend to be in the offish "AHH WAN' MUH BURGAH!" category.)  As such, they seem to cling to any and every opportunity to throw shade on the notion of eating animal products, pretend that it should be a moral privilege and imperative to prepare their food to their requirements, etc---


There's nothing wrong with being vegan; just don't be an ass about it.  Same is true for being omnivorous-- just don't be an ass about it.




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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #109 on: August 26, 2020, 05:37:35 am »

I was doing research on the Burger King vegetarian options trying to find the bean burger I'm *sure* they used to offer.  They hid it in a special vegetarian section which I seem to remember shifting between multiple screens because they care that little capitalism.  I certainly would have taken it over the gross mayo-fish burger, and certainly not for vegan reasons.  I'm not even vegetarian, strictly.  I just like beans and bean protein+grain protein.  (Hence me craving Taco Bell despite some of the condiments destroying my innards when overconsumed.  Appropriately priced beans+grain with a reasonable convenience charge, on the road?  Muy bueno.)

Whereas the BK Impossible Whopper is nice and all, and I certainly enjoyed that time I got two of them for $5, but they no longer offer it with their regular sandwiches in that deal.  Gosh, maybe because it's fricken delicious but also somehow more expensive due to an ineffable line of IP and partnership.

Just give me a freakin bean burger, I know you offered it
And like 30 chicken nuggets for $5 jesus fucking christ fuck me up fam  noo.  mmpgh.
I was dissuaded by thinking about where those chickens would have been sourced from.  Not the NICE farms, no.

Anyway, there was some discussion in the laugh thread about companies considering dietary concerns.  Because this is Bay12- rails tell us how best to go offtrack.

I didn't spell it out there, but respect for dietary requirements is absolutely a matter of prejudice.

There are many reasons for a person to have a dietary requirement.  There's vegetarianism or veganism, obviously.  Celiacs or general gluten intolerance.  Religious strictures.  That-thing-what-the-deer-ticks-give-you-where-eating-any-mammal-or-dairy-makes-you-intensely-ill, which my ex-housemate had.  He was not the most careful, so I got to see the aftermath of that.  Fun times, let me tell you.

I personally am lucky in this regard, I just have some obscure thing where I can't eat clams or oysters anymore.  Shellfish allergy?  No, that would make sense, I can eat shrimp with impunity.  And it's a developed intolerance, which sucks because clam chowder and fresh oysters were among my favorite foods treat foods.

And my dad, being a complete psychopath, dosed my food with oysters and sure enough I was dry heaving for hours.  So it's fucking real.  I would have consented to a blind study over time, asshole!  And the results failed to convince him because jdsfkasdjf

Basically what I want to say is:  Those of you with religious strictures against consuming certain kinds of meat?  I am on your side.  We should be aware of what we're consuming, and should not be slipfed things against our morals.

I get an intense illish headache when I rat waffles. I'm not sure why. But I have all my life.

It makes me miserable because I love waffles.
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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #110 on: August 26, 2020, 05:54:26 am »

Waffle and Pancake are essentially "The same thing", just cooked different.

Maybe you have a food allergy to the oil used?  Does it happen with waffles you make yourself?
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« Reply #111 on: August 26, 2020, 07:04:23 am »

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« Reply #112 on: August 26, 2020, 07:44:27 am »

Waffle and Pancake are essentially "The same thing", just cooked different.

Maybe you have a food allergy to the oil used?  Does it happen with waffles you make yourself?

I've only eaten homemade waffles my whole life.

Well, except for ice cream waffles I guess
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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #113 on: August 26, 2020, 09:57:59 am »

maybe it's the non-stick coating in the waffle maker?  Ever tried a cast iron one?
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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #114 on: August 26, 2020, 10:27:17 am »

Maybe it's the rats? Have you tried not ratting the waffles?
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Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« Reply #115 on: August 26, 2020, 10:30:28 am »

There's no thing such as a non-cast-iron waffle iron, man

Such a thing isn't possible  :P

My parents thinks it's the fat from all the milk and butter and whipped cream. But I'm not sure, I don't really have any other problem with fat food.
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« Reply #119 on: August 26, 2020, 12:29:15 pm »

Våffeljärn means waffle iron, gjutjärn means cast iron. In this case it's an... I dunno of its an adjective, but it's a descriptism.
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