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[NJW2000]

Hmm... Thirty people. Could this be a situation where Counter! Is optimal? Counter, rapid fire and daggers might be enough as long as the mob turns and attacks us.

Unless of course we want to have Trence transform and AoE the crowd. In that case, it might be sensible to have Sessha backstab the monk.

[syvarris]

This doesn't seem so bad.  We've got a physical opponent vulnerable to physical attacks, with two strong physical attackers.  The mob's big, though.

Sessha: cast ArmorYou on Willis (giving everyone a defensive buff), then use backstab.  The boys wait.  If I understand correctly, Sessha's backstab will trigger on the first turn of the next round; when it does, Willis uses Rapid Fire on the crowd, and Trence uses Double strike on the monk (if he's not dead from the backstab, double strike crowd if so).  Sessha uses her second action to flurry of daggers on the crowd.

I thought of counter too, but as I wrote this up I decided against.  Flurry of daggers is a better AoE than counter here, because it should hit the entire group, while counter only hits 50%.  It's also in combo with Willis' rapid fire, and poisoned, so stands a good chance of taking out a fair chunk of enemies--before they deal damage.  Counter only kills things after they hit Trence.  On top of that, Trence's double strike should be more powerful than Sessha's basic attack.  I suspect we'll still eat a hit from the monk, but we've got a defense buff, and we should be able to mop up everything in round two easily enough.

[Devastator]

Do note that in situations like this 'hit all' may not hit everyone.. there are a lot of targets.  Same with 'hits all in a group'.  Those excellent rolls meant Willis and Sessha were able to hit a great many targets with their abilities.. Willis hitting the entire group, and Sessha hitting all the survivors, twice.

Counter will hit everyone who attacks Trence, regardless of how many people that is.  As long as they're melee.

Backstab does work that way, although giving up a turn is necessary to make it work like that.

As for this group, you think hitting everyone with a hit-all ability will be difficult but very possible, but hitting everyone with a hits-group ability is dubious.

[King Zultan]

Still sounds like a good plan to me.

[syvarris]

It'd be more reasonable to use counter instead of double strike, then.  I kinda want to focus the monk down; if we leave only a few mooks standing they're likely to just flee, but the monk seems like a proper unit in his own right.  Which is better really depends on just how strong the monk is, and how strong the crowd is... Trence could very likely remove half the crowd with one counter.

...I am very close to switching my vote, but I have one last thing to point out.  Sessha has lethal poison on her daggers, which the monk is resistant to, but the mooks are not.  Any mook she tags with flurry should go down eventually even if we leave.  I think.

[Devastator]

(So go with the bold text?)

[NJW2000]

I think we should focus on taking out the crowd first - especially as we'll be using physical damage to do it, which will soften the monk up nicely. Taking out the monk on their own will probably take two turns at most, so it's not a huge issue if they're left standing.

I'd advise going into combat with the following:

Trence uses Counter!
Willis uses Rapid Fire!
Sessha uses Armor You on Willis and Flurry of Daggers!

I'd be ok with Sessha prepping a backstab on the monk, if people think that's better, but I'm a fan of Trence using counter and not wasting time here. We have potions and this is for keeps. I'd also like to point out that Trence attacking the monk directly might be less than optimal as he's partly doing wind damage with the greatsword - even double strike will be substantially weakened by the monk's defences.

[IronyOwl]

Trence uses Counter!
Willis uses Rapid Fire!
Sessha uses Armor You on Willis and Flurry of Daggers!

+1

I'd rather not wait a turn for Things to Happen.

[King Zultan]

Trence uses Counter!
Willis uses Rapid Fire!
Sessha uses Armor You on Willis and Flurry of Daggers!

+1

I'd rather not wait a turn for Things to Happen.

+1

[Devastator]

Trence uses Counter!
Willis uses Rapid Fire!
Sessha uses Armor You on Willis and Flurry of Daggers!

(9)(11)(5)

You run up and try to get the crowd's attention with a loud whistle, after taking up a combat stance.

There are many takers.

(Series of surprisingly high rolls)

Trence takes 71 damage!  He manages to drop three people, and wound almost a dozen more with counterattacks.

Sessha and Willis both attack the large mob, Willis raining down arrows and hitting nearly everyone, and Sessha mostly limiting herself to the people in front of, and around, Trence.  A couple more people are dropped, but most of the crowd is intact.

The monk you saw was not among them, taking an arrow but not a dagger or a counter strike.  The mob leader does become apparent at this point, not the monk, but a standard buffing cleric at the back, who hits about a dozen people with a group heal, largely negating their wounds.

Encounter Start!

Two groups of Mob Members, A and B.  The first group seems a bit ranged and caster heavy, while the second group seems to have heavier armour.  There are 6-8 people in each group.

There is a third group that's still near the building gate.  This one includes the monk you noticed earlier.

The mob leader is present, and seperate.  She's a Concordat cleric, but is wearing undecorated robes.

Spoiler: Status (click to show/hide)

Trence Colunstin
28/99 (89) HP
45/45 MP

Fight
-> Slash!  Attack one creature.
Damage +++
-> Double Strike!  Attack one creature twice.  Tiring.
Damage +++

Skills
-> Counter!  Counterattack any creature that attacks Trence.  Tiring.
Damage +++

Magic
-> Dragon Form.  Choose up to 3.
Venom, Cost 5MP
Ice, Cost 5MP
Water, Cost 5MP
Blade, Cost 10MP

Gear:
Lizard Greatsword (+4)  Wind attuned, bonus wind damage, less normal damage.
Silversteel Cuirass w Nature Emblem. (+4)  Normal defense, Slight magic defense.
Life Protection Amulet
Ring of Elemental Armour

Minor resistance to Fire
Minor resistance to Cold
Minor resistance to Water
Minor resistance to Wind
Minor resistance to Electricity
Minor resistance to Earth
Poison Immunity
Minor resistance to Nature
Minor weakness to Void

Willis Naver
80/80 (70) HP
8/32 MP

Fight
-> Shoot! Attacks one creature with arrows.
Damage +++
-> Rapid Fire!  Attacks all creatures in a group with arrows.  Tiring.
Damage +
-> Ice Arrow! Attacks one creature with cold-infused arrows.
Damage +++, Cold enchanted.

Skills
-> Meditation.  Next spell does one damage level more than normal.

Magic
-> Meteor Strike!  Massive fire damage that hits a whole group of enemies.  Costs 28 MP.
-> Absolute Zero.  Extreme cold damage to a single enemy.  Costs 22 MP.
-> Fireworks!  Moderate fire damage that hits all enemies.  Costs 24 MP.
-> Tsunami!  Heavy water damage that hits all enemies.  Costs 36 MP.

Gear:
Silverwood Bow (+3)
Silversteel Cuirass w Nature Emblem (+4)  Normal defense, Slight magic defense.
Web Shooters
Amulet of Life Protection

Minor resistance to Fire
Minor resistance to Earth
Minor resistance to Nature

Sessha Naver
184/184 HP
52/58 MP

Fight
-> Dagger Throw.  Attacks one creature with thrown knives.
Damage +++
-> Flurry of Darts+.  Attacks all creatures in a group with thrown knives.
Damage +
-> Trick shot.  Critically attacks one creature with a thrown knife.  Tiring.
Damage +++  Increased chance of critical

Skills
-> Poison Dagger (disabling) Adds automatic debuff attempts to dagger attacks, along with a chance of inflicting several disabling status effects.
-> Poison Dagger (lethal) Adds poison status effect to dagger attacks.  Guaranteed to take effect on non-resistant targets.
-> Backstab.  Charges for a turn to do massive damage to a target next turn.  Tiring.
Damage ++++++
-> Indignation. Raises magic resistance on self by one level.

Magic
-> Heal, cost 6 MP  Heals a little.
-> Healmore, cost 18 MP  Heals a lot
-> Group Heal, cost 20 MP  Heals all party members for a little.
-> Vertigo, cost 5 MP. Reduces target's attack and defense.
-> Armor One, cost 12 MP. Increases defense significantly for one target
-> Sonic Stun, cost 11 MP.  Target may miss next turn.
-> Shadow Messenger, cost 6 MP.  Talk to any known target within this city.

Gear:
Mithril Hawkeye Daggers (+5) Crit chance maxed.
Storm Shadow Leather (+5) Moderate lightning resist, Significant magic defense, Slightly reduced defense.
Ring of Elemental Armor
Haste Boots

Minor resistance to Fire
Minor resistance to Cold
Minor resistance to Water
Minor resistance to Wind
High resistance to Lightning
Minor resistance to Earth

Spoiler: Inventory (click to show/hide)

10 potions
5 high potions
2 mana potions
3 scan crystals (See enemy stats/equipment)
2 antidote herbs (Cancel poison)
4 smoke bombs (Escape from encounter)
1 smelling salts. (Revives at 10%)
1 Vial? (Shatter to use on a group of people.)

[King Zultan]

Should we kill off the cleric or the groups of randos first?

[NJW2000]

Should we kill off the cleric or the groups of randos first?

Depends if we think we can get the casters/ranged out of the way in a turn or so - otherwise the cleric will just heal them back. Unless we're willing to transform or use a mana potion on Willis, I think we should go Cleric -> Group A -> Group B.

We should probably heal Trence - not sure which heal would be the best idea.

[syvarris]

...This is time to use dragon form.  We have four separate targetable groups (A, B, MonkGroup, Cleric) and no other source of hitall.  We're chiefly interested in making this go more quickly, and hitgroup attacks will probably take at least two per group.  Especially with the cleric.

Trence goes Ice+Water dragon.  Blade might buff breath, but costs as much as another breath altogether.
Willis uses a normal potion on Trence.  Or himself.  Doesn't really matter.  He has no good actions when out of mana.
Sessha uses a hasted backstab on that cleric, which I really want to see.

[Devastator]

Three groups.  Until they enter the battle, nothing you can do can hit the unengaged MonkGroup.

Also, Sessha may be hasted, but backstab hits next turn, so she'll have a second action this turn.

Lastly, all the enemies are wounded, with the melee ones more wounded.  Some are tougher than others, but they've all taken damage.

(And Willis should be tired, but eh, I'll ignore that.)

[IronyOwl]

...This is time to use dragon form.  We have four separate targetable groups (A, B, MonkGroup, Cleric) and no other source of hitall.  We're chiefly interested in making this go more quickly, and hitgroup attacks will probably take at least two per group.  Especially with the cleric.

Trence goes Ice+Water dragon.  Blade might buff breath, but costs as much as another breath altogether.
Willis uses a normal potion on Trence.  Or himself.  Doesn't really matter.  He has no good actions when out of mana.
Sessha uses a hasted backstab on that cleric, which I really want to see.

+1

Maybe we should have waited a turn for backstab at the start after all.