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[delphonso]

Sounds like FAKE NEWS, Zultan. Send all the miners to the danger room!

(I probably won't join this round, but I'll be reading. Enjoy, everyone!)

[Salmeuk]

Alright, some things I missed:

1. Thanks for posting the save, Spriggans! I forgot to.
2. Military skills DO count, any legendary skill counts. Last I checked upright spike abuse no longer works. IIRC something changed in the calculations for combat damage, and even with highly-skilled dwarves in full armor, the spike will eventually penetrate, leading to injury, and that sort of thing negates the skill gain. I mean, if you actually pull off an effective exploit to train combat skill, that's impressive enough and interesting enough to make for a fun turn. Plus, legendaries are legendaries, blind and crippled or not.
3. Runtime will be 2 weeks with the deadline 11/16/2020 or Monday, Nov. 16th, 2020. I want to give us all time to play out a good turn or two, or at least not feel pressured to finish.
4. As every turn previous, I probably forgot something extremely imbalanced and you crazy fu*ks will find a way to harness and exploit it for the win. So be it!

Honestly, military skills might be worth pursuing, as in my experience a dedicated weapon squad training 24/7 will rise to legendary fighter or observer skill in less than a year.

[applet]

Plus, legendaries are legendaries, blind and crippled or not.

4. As every turn previous, I probably forgot something extremely imbalanced and you crazy fu*ks will find a way to harness and exploit it for the win. So be it!

What do you mean? Round 1 was not so exploity.

Also the OP still says its round 4.

Edit: So, uh, how long does it take from that a dwarf becomes "starving" to that they actually die of starvation? Asking for a friend.

[Salmeuk]

What do you mean? Round 1 was not so exploity.

Also the OP still says its round 4.

Edit: So, uh, how long does it take from that a dwarf becomes "starving" to that they actually die of starvation? Asking for a friend.

Exaggeration for the sake of it :> I always forgot some detail or another and it was impressive how players would use this to their advantage.

What would an interesting multi-year challenge look like? I was thinking about some kind of 5-year competition on a new fortress. A month to play it. Similar challenges to here, maybe multiple 'bounties' available for different maximums achieved? Like, "Most Wealth Created" or "Highest Cut Gem Count', as simple as that, maybe 7 or 9 depending on the player count. You could even generate them from a list, and end up with strange combinations of goals. Maybe that's too grand-scale for people.. any input from you guys?

[Bralbaard]

Edit: So, uh, how long does it take from that a dwarf becomes "starving" to that they actually die of starvation? Asking for a friend.

Ehm.. Could you ask this "friend" if our answer might result in unfortunate events, like the citizens of the fortress dropping dead on the second of granite, next year?

*looks at the current fortress population which consists entirely out of applets*  Hmm, if only I knew who this friend might be....) 

[applet]

Edit: So, uh, how long does it take from that a dwarf becomes "starving" to that they actually die of starvation? Asking for a friend.

Ehm.. Could you ask this "friend" if our answer might result in unfortunate events, like the citizens of the fortress dropping dead on the second of granite, next year?

*looks at the current fortress population which consists entirely out of applets*  Hmm, if only I knew who this friend might be....)

Friend says that the start of next round will be fair even with the answer.
Friend also asks if dwarves can die of sleep deprivation?

Edit: Oops

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[Bralbaard]

Oww.. Friend has a problem..

But at least its comforting for the rest of us that it doesn't say legendary engraver has died x 100

[Spriggans]

How did your friends' dwarves die of thirst with all this booze we have ??!!

[Bralbaard]

I might have an idea what happened, but it seems the good old danger rooms are less fatal, and they at least can be switched off. Good timing might solve it, hence my earlier worry about everyone dying on the second of granite next year. 

[Salmeuk]

My first year has begun.

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We really do have a lot of booze:



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We shall all be legends:



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Military skills in the labor menu. All you need to know is the numbers are low across the board, to low to consider military for this first strategy of mine.



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The weaponsmiths are up in arms! for me to build a guild. sure thing.

[applet]

2nd try complete. No deaths this time.

This is my dwarf btw. A already-legendary miner.



This happened




Then some slob instantly picked it up and drank prickle berry wine in it..

[StrikaAmaru]

Out of curiosity: has anyone tried to export legends for NumberCurse? I tried, and failed; LegendsViewer can't parse the Legends XML correctly (the standard, not the plus).  It produces a parsing error - expects a number but gets a non-numeric string, according to the stack trace.

The export was done with DfHack command, on the original version (year 49, 15th Granite)

[Way later Edit]: the cause of this error turned out to be a little derp by me: I was using an older version of Legends Viewer (the one for 0.47.03, that was pinned on my start bar) and that's why I had this error.

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************** Exception Text **************
System.FormatException: Input string was not in a correct format.
   at System.Number.StringToNumber(String str, NumberStyles options, NumberBuffer& number, NumberFormatInfo info, Boolean parseDecimal)
   at System.Number.ParseInt32(String s, NumberStyles style, NumberFormatInfo info)
   at LegendsViewer.Legends.Events.CreateEntityPosition..ctor(List`1 properties, World world)
   at LegendsViewer.Legends.Parser.XmlParser.AddEvent(String type, List`1 properties)
   at LegendsViewer.Legends.Parser.XmlParser.AddItemToWorld(List`1 properties)
   at LegendsViewer.Legends.Parser.XmlParser.ParseSection()
   at LegendsViewer.Legends.Parser.XmlParser.Parse()
   at LegendsViewer.Legends.World..ctor(BackgroundWorker worker, String xmlFile, String historyFile, String sitesAndPopulationsFile, String mapFile, String xmlPlusFile)
   at LegendsViewer.FileLoader.BackgroundWorkerOnDoWork(Object sender, DoWorkEventArgs e)
   at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.OnDoWork(DoWorkEventArgs e)
   at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.WorkerThreadStart(Object argument)

[delphonso]

expects a number but gets a non-numeric string

Ah yes... The Numbercurse.

[Bralbaard]

 

[Salmeuk]

expects a number but gets a non-numeric string

Ah yes... The Numbercurse.

  

Strika, I was able to successfully export and parse the xml with Legendsviewer. Maybe give it another try? I can upload mine if you want.

I finished my first go, and it was pretty miserable with only 22 legendaries by the end of it. I'm not at all used to playing to win (lol) so I had to get my self up to speed with the workflow of it all. Also, I can confirm - masons, miners, and engravers all gain skill at a slower rate. I attempted to mass-engrave the entire fortress over the course of the year, and the engravers were barely skill 7 by the end of the year. I think you could pull this off with mining.

It's too bad that wood is largely unavailable due to the sieging, since carpentry is so dang fast to level, with the lightweight wood material it cuts down on craft time. I made the mistake of using all the stored wood to legendary the second carpenter, and then I had none left to make wheelbarrows for the stone hauling I was doing. Which was useless anyways lol.

I considered 'removing' the 30+ children that take up legendary slots, however I don't believe I can even approach 70 legendaries in a single year, and the stress gain from their disappearance would slow the remaining seventy.

Time for a second try. Dang, I wish I made a backup of my first moves, since they are almost identical this second go around. .


edit: Mining, even with the modified skill rate, is still effective at leveling dwarves.

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Assuming you aren't like me and manage to cause multiple cave-ins, leading to injury and death.

I also experienced a crash around late autumn, so make sure to back up those saves.

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dig dig dig dig dig dig

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3 seasons later

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