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[Khang36]

ok looks like the Behrens are interested in taking our offer to complete our cyclist contract for 25 credit.

if all things goes well we will be building the crovem and vostoy contracts on our own lines while paying 25 credit to Behrens to complete the cyclist contract

this will give us 44 credits and 51 prestige.

[Madman198237]

Sounds good.

It's Just Business (even when you're producing the weapons you hope to be used in the murder of your business rivals)
Offer Behrens the rest of cyclist contract. Pay them 25 credits to retool an assembly line and produce the relevant rifles, whereupon we receive all the profits in fame and money from the contract. Afterwards allow them to produce the rifle for civilian sales (and the profits from such sales) until they retool the line. They do not own the design and may not produce or offer it for any other contracts without our approval.

Retool Line 1 to produce AR-6-14s and drop the remainder of the Forenian Expedition contract.
Since the Bicicletta contract is moving to Behrens' assembly line, undertake the Vostayan assassination rifle contract on Line 2.

It's Just Business: (1) Madman

[Khang36]

It's Just Business: (2) Madman,Khang36

[Light forger]

It's Just Business: (3) Madman,Khang36, Lightforger

[ConscriptFive]

It's Just Business: (4) Madman,Khang36, Lightforger, ConscriptFive

[Aseaheru]

It's Just Business: (5) Madman,Khang36, Lightforger, ConscriptFive, AseaHeru

[ConscriptFive]

Hmm, thoughts and predictions on the situation.

Behrens is in third place, but has a decent SMG that could fill both the Voystoy Rebels and Rutz CQB contract.  They also have enough cash (thanks to us) to do a revision or design if they really wanted to nail it down.  Both of their lines are free this turn.

FR is in a weird spot.  They spent their savings getting a second line up, but have enough for a single revision.  They have the Procino MG in the bag, but could make their Wiel actually good if they wanted to.  One line free this turn, so this works out perfectly for them.

...And us... We're in the lead, but both our lines are free.  We probably could get Crovem rifle by default again, but our AR doesn't fit anything this turn.  Luckily, we do have enough for a design + revision.  I'd prefer either a semi-auto short rifle (design+emergency revision), or a HMG (design+cartridge).

[Aseaheru]

 Get Crovem their rifles, Rutz offer the AR, revise the AR to make generally better, design new ammo for HMG/AM for Procino next year? We have a years grace for MG work, and the AR would absolutely fit in with trench clearing and/or, if we decide we want to go fer it, we try to make it into a battle rifle...

The BR-6-15 is an outgrowth of the AR-6-14, turning this weapon into a semi-auto only firearm, deleting the bipod, adding a bayonet lug, and improving the charging handle, gas sytem, and general build to reduce mass and perceived recoil
Dont really like this idea, but, well, might aswell write it up.

AR-6-15 is a revision of the -14, making changes such as adding a manual safety, a non-reciprocating charging handle, a manual bolt-hold open(so the user can lock it open to improve cooling), changes to the gas system to reduce the perceived recoil including tuning it and having an adjustable gas plug, aswell as general weight savings with the aim of bringing the firearm down to ~16lb. Effort is also made to streamline production, bringing down production cost.

This is basically the Prykanbul 6x50mm round doubled in size. There have been a few changes, mostly in making the round truly rimless. The round is still steel-cased, and come in standard FMJ rounds along with Tracer and an "Target Marker" round; which contains some explosives intended to explode on impact with the ground allowing the user to better see point of impact. The projectile is ~700 grains and travels at ~3000f/s (Or ~19.5g at 925m/s, for metric numbers)

The Prykanbul HAG-12-15, chambered for 12mm Highball, is a heavy machinegun. Short-stroke gas-piston operation, detachable barrels, feeding from metal belts(and capable of having feed direction changed, atleast at an armorers level), aperture sights for 100-1500m, provisions for optics or volley sights to be mounted, all these help the Hag be one of the premiere heavy machineguns on the market today. The Hag is available in two furniture layouts, traditional butterfly handles or a pistol grip with over-shoulder stock for jobs like defense against torpedo boats, able to be changed out by any competent armorer. Rate of fire is 500 rounds per minute.
The gun weighs in at ~38kg loaded, spare barrels weighing in at around 10kg, comes with a steel-tube tripod weighing in at 20kg and capable of holding three boxes of ammunition(two next to the gun, one as ready storage)
Cost should be about 45.

Im not sure if this was the latest iteration, but...

[Madman198237]

Our automatic rifle is absolutely capable of contending in the Rutz contract because it's an AUTOMATIC RIFLE and therefore is quite literally MADE for crossing between trenches and then hosing down the inside of the trench on automatic.

Basically I think we can and should submit it to that contract, submit our short rifle to the Crovem contract, revise the AR, and use a second revision to make a new cartridge for the hypothetical heavy MG.

Revision: AR-6-15
The AR-6-14 is a pretty OK platform given all its troubles, so we're going to make some fixes to it. First up, whatever confusing nonsense is up with the charging handle, we're altering it to the nonreciprocating original design with the integrated dust cover. The gas port funny business is adjusted by actually adding a proper, normal vent port to the gas piston system, which means the system will get only the right amount of energy from the gun firing, so the piston can be lighter and therefore make the gun lighter and more controllable. The selector switch is re-added, as is the hammer-block safety. Detachable barrels are left for later work to allow us to focus on perfecting the operating system and other important bits first. Finally, the extractor is made a little bit larger to help pull cartridges even when the gun gets hot.

New Cartridge: Prykanbul Manufacturing 10x85mm Heavy Machinegun Cartridge
A rimless cartridge with a relatively heavy extractor indent, PM 10x85 is a machinegun cartridge first and foremost. It's steel-cased and generally quite similar to our 6mm cartridge, except much bigger. It's a high-velocity cartridge with a fairly heavy bullet, 400 grains/26 grams at approximately 3000 fps/920 m/s. The bullet is large enough for variants to contain substantial amounts of incendiary compound for use as a tracer or incendiary weapon against balloons, or a small explosive payload, which we can assure you is for target marking purposes only, and not because it blows holes in things like human beings.

[ConscriptFive]

Eh... not convinced the AR is better suited to the Rutz contract than the Behrens SMG, but oh well.

(1) AR-6-15 and PM 10x85mm HMG Cartridge: ConscriptFive

[Madman198237]

It doesn't particularly matter whether it's necessarily better suited or not, the point is that it fits the requirements and so we can submit it, and have a solid chance at winning if the upgrades pan out, and maybe (but probably not) even if they don't work so well. This means we can develop the cartridge now and then develop the MG next turn with a full design and maybe even an "emergency revision" or whatever you want to call the we-rolled-bad-and-now-it's-all-on-fire revision.

(2) AR-6-15: ConscriptFive, Madman
(2) PM 10x85mm HMG Cartridge: ConscriptFive, Madman

I guess if it ends up mattering we can specify that we're voting for two revisions but for now, whatever.

[Aseaheru]

Wait, which AR-6-15. Madman's or mine?

[Madman198237]

I forgot you had one since it's in that spoiler, hahahaha. I'm voting for *mine*

[Aseaheru]

Well, I guess I need to shove links to the things in the box. I took Conscript Five's vote for AR-5-15 off, since I have no idea which they are voting for. Ill shove it back in when they let me know, its just... Check proposals fer duplicates people, and shove links in, please. Also, vote fer project numbers added.

As fer 12x100 vs 10x85, 10x85 feels far too small for a proper HMG round. For snipers, sure, but not for HMGs.

Two Revisions: (1) AseaHeru
One Revision: ()
Zero Revisions: ()
One design: ()
Zero Designs: (1) AseaHeru
REVISIONS
(1) AR-6-15 proposal One: AseaHeru
(1) AR-6-15 proposal Two: Madman
(2) PM 10x85mm HMG Cartridge: ConscriptFive, Madman
(1) 12x100mm Highball Cartridge: AseaHeru
DESIGNS

[Madman198237]

The role of HMG as you're thinking about it doesn't exist yet; and even .50 will be outmoded as a functional AT round well before WWII. This will be able to murder any early tanks and most armored cars from now until the end of the interwar era, and that's enough.

And, dangit, it's not just a carbon copy of another US military bullet