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Author Topic: It's time for Toady to fix the game  (Read 2198 times)

Inarius

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Re: It's time for Toady to fix the game
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2020, 11:43:04 am »

I agree, the issue is more the lack of features than bug.
Bug cause crash or weird stuff. Here it's not weird stuff, more lack of stuff, empty frames and useless things.

It's true Toady like to add new frames more than filling them. But bugs ? honestly i don't feel bugs is the most important issue right now.
The most important issue seems to me the huge amount of things to fix before dwarf fortress can be considered as playable by people less supportive and comprehensive than us (most of us, at least)
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Re: It's time for Toady to fix the game
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2020, 11:48:36 am »

Hello Deus_Vult and welcome to bay12 forum! It's a forum mainly deidcated to an ASCII roguelike/simulator called Dwarf Fortress, hope you'll find yourself at home in our community !

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Re: It's time for Toady to fix the game
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2020, 04:13:57 pm »

Welcome, Deus! You will find our Bay12 to be a very hospitable in most circumstances, however, your chosen subject of introduction leaves much to be wanted. It is a point that has been made MANY, MANY times, and a quick forum search can realize this.

As a result, many regulars have seen this argument proceed uncontrollably for many pages of repetitive idea-rephrasing and "Well, I think THIS!" and all that nonsense. You're welcome to your ideas, and the free expression of them, but don't be surprised that the blowback is a borderline hostile.

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To commit hipocrisy and comment on your point, DF was not started as a commercial product, instead a passion project. For many years it was clear that Toady was merely sharing his game, not selling it, and so as a community there was never an expectation of player consideration in development focus. Why fix bugs if it isn't intended to be played?

Over time this idea was contradicted by the fact that many people were still playing and enjoying the game, despite it's unintuitive UI, many bugs and generally incomplete nature. Toady acknowledged this by creating a bugtracker and working to fix the game-breaking bugs like crashes or broken pathfinding.

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Marriages, friends and grudges are broken, and you need ant-sized meeting rooms for anyone to know anyone
- Military training & equipment are still bugged
- Raiding\outside missions are broken and can ruin the entire fortress due to bugs
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You are obviously an experienced player, so you must remember that these bugs you refer to are rather small and definitely not game-breaking. While, yes the raids cause crashes, as others have said that will likely get fixed in the steam release / bugfix update that is planned. The other issues do not get in the way of running a fortress, though they do prevent a detail-oriented overseer from pursuing certain strategies.

As DF is now actually becoming a commercial product(though I imagine it is being created without the usual intention of making lots of money), there may be a shift in development priority, and as PatrickLundell points out, a shift in bug-fixing philosophy. We'll have to wait and see, but it's safe to say this steam release is the most exciting thing to happen to DF in many years, IMO the most exciting thing since the 3-d update ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2008.
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Simply put, your concerns have already been noted. Please take a number and proceed through the featherwood door to your left. There you will join the hundreds that came before you. . .
« Last Edit: November 23, 2020, 04:20:40 pm by Salmeuk »
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Inarius

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Re: It's time for Toady to fix the game
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2020, 03:12:04 am »

Well, well said, Salmeuk.
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