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Author Topic: Election: A Bright Future(Town Victory)  (Read 14606 times)

webadict

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Re: Election: A Bright Future(Town Victory)
« Reply #195 on: April 08, 2021, 02:45:11 pm »

Caz disputed the existence of coins. They didn't say they received no info on coins. They said no coins exist at all.

Being right on that fact is the problem.

As a more direct version of this, let me give a very, very, very blantant example.

A setup exists. 50% chance of Roleblocker or Mafioso. If a Roleblocker exists, 50% chance a Cop exists.

I claim Cop. Caz says there is no Cop. The only way Caz can know that fact is if Caz is the Cop OR Caz is the Mafioso, but since they said there is NO cop, they are saying no one is the Cop, so they are the Mafioso.

Yes, this is a very blatant example, but their words showed that they said no coins period. Not that they were jnaware of coins. Not that the coin with their fingerprints didn't exist. No coins. At all.
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« Reply #196 on: April 08, 2021, 02:49:36 pm »

This is lies. My PM contained no information about coins, NQT was the one that brought it up as a Lucky reference.
Caz disputed the existence of coins. They didn't say they received no info on coins. They said no coins exist at all.
Lynch all liars webadict.

I think you guys really did elect the traitor candidate.
Clearly!
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Re: Election: A Bright Future(Town Victory)
« Reply #197 on: April 08, 2021, 03:02:28 pm »

You are skipping the most important part of that post.

This is lies.
It cannot be a lie if they received no information.
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Re: Election: A Bright Future(Town Victory)
« Reply #198 on: April 10, 2021, 07:25:17 am »

This is lies.
It cannot be a lie if they received no information.

It can be a lie if I know you're lying. :P
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Re: Election: A Bright Future(Town Victory)
« Reply #199 on: April 10, 2021, 09:47:54 am »

This is lies.
It cannot be a lie if they received no information.

It can be a lie if I know you're lying. :P
Correct. But you can only know I'm lying if you're scum.
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Re: Election: A Bright Future(Town Victory)
« Reply #200 on: April 10, 2021, 09:50:27 am »

This is lies.
It cannot be a lie if they received no information.

It can be a lie if I know you're lying. :P
Correct. But you can only know I'm lying if you're scum.
You're also lying if Caz is town though, since then you would be lying scum. You know you're town, but others don't. So a town caz would also know about the lie since you'd be scum.
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Re: Election: A Bright Future(Town Victory)
« Reply #201 on: April 10, 2021, 10:03:32 am »

You keep making the wrong assumptions. You are using meta-truths to defend the behavior for the wrong reasons.

Ignore that the Coins do not exist. This is an irrelevant fact.

Caz can't know that the coins don't exist if they're Town.
Caz can know that a singular Coin with Caz's fingerprints on them doesn't exist, because it implicates them, and they know they're Town. But, that acknowledges the Coins existence.

Caz claimed simultaneously that there were no Coins and that they have no information on the Coins. These statements are inherently contradictory from Town perspective.
If Caz has no information on the Coins, then they cannot determine the truth of the Coins existence.
If they can determine the truth of the Coins existence, then they have information on the Coins.
If they have information on the Coins, then they lied about having no information on the Coins.
If they lied about having no information on the Coins, it is because they are scum and know I'm lying about the Coins.
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