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Re: 2022 Hot Fresh Reading Challenge Thread
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2022, 01:34:59 pm »

Ah, Lovecraft. He reads like a cozy bedtime story, what with his verbose descriptors of everything. Too bad he was a bigot.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2022, 12:06:41 am »

Ah, Lovecraft. He reads like a cozy bedtime story, what with his verbose descriptors of everything. Too bad he was a bigot.

Most of them in that generation were bigots.
In Lovecraft's case, he was compensating for being dependant on Women for financial support his entire life. With the social mores of the time, he probably didn't take it as well as one would expect in this day-and-age.

One could argue that writing about a fear of the unknown alien draws upon racial fears, in a whole host of sophisticated ways.

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2022, 09:54:36 am »

Huh, that might also explain why 'scary old ladies' cropped up a few times as plot points.
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Re: 2022 Hot Fresh Reading Challenge Thread
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2022, 01:09:39 pm »

Yeah, Lovecraft was a bigoted supporter of racial theory. I believe he even thought black people to be no closer to humans than chimps and gorillas.
But that was no fringe belief in his time.

He wrote awesome fiction though.
And it's not like me buying and reading his works will benefit him, or change his opinions, because he's, you know, dead.
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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2022, 07:25:05 pm »

To be clear, Lovecraft was exceptionally bigoted for his time. I read a lot of contemporary fiction to him, and yes, it is all bigoted, but Lovecraft goes an extra mile. Contemporaries have issues like assuming racial hierarchy (darker skinned characters are subservient or morally less pure) as a matter of short hand. Lovecraft has characters go mad, kill their own children, and blow their own brains out when they discover their blood is "tainted".

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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2022, 06:04:25 am »

yes Lovecraft is a dead racist nerd scared by everything 8)
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2022, 08:19:29 am »

I'm reading Instrumentalities of the Night again, by Glen Cook.  It's a challenging book.  It has an interesting premise, set in a very close pastiche of Europe with the serial numbers filed off and proper nouns replaced by mad libs, around the late 1300s or so during the Cathar heresy.  Magic is real, the world is inhabited by the spirits of the Night, which are shadowy things that only come out in darkness.  Night creatures range from little dangerous things that a good campfire will hold back, up to the gods of the world and even the capital-G God of the not-Catholics and not-Muslims.  A not-janissary's caravan is on a quest in the holy land and gets attacked by a bogon, a king of the local night spirits.  It's the kind of thing that could kill his whole caravan without breaking a sweat, and in desperation he loads their new experimental cannon with gravel and silver coins and blows it away.  Being a man of the world and unfamiliar with the world of spirits, he's oblivious to the fact that he's accidentally invented a gun that can kill God, and irreversibly altered the balance of power in the cosmos.

That idea is pretty cool, reminds me a bit of his dark materials kind of thing, but the close cleaving to history and heavy establishing exposition and stuff is really hard to get through.  The book goes on and on just describing different characters in different parts of the world doing their thing, just setting up what I'm sure will be a crazy story later on but can you get there in one piece?
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2022, 03:10:57 pm »

I'm surprised I didn't list anything yet this year ... I read a few things so far. I stopped reading because I was in a whirlwind of girlfriend acquisition, but now the girlfriend is acquired, I'm relaxing and reading a little more ;D

Iron Widow by Xiran Jay Zhao
A Primate's Memoir
Alberic the Wise by Norton Juster
Red Milk by Sjón
The Orphans of Davenport by Marilyn Brookwood
The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System vol. 1
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2022, 04:36:15 pm »

I've always lamented that I've never really read much fiction.  No way I'm going to try to commit to any kind of challenge or quota, but I'm looking to change that a little this year.  Especially since I wanted to get back into writing and it's hard to learn to write better without reading.

Anyway, my brother lent me his copy of the first Dresden Files novel a few weeks ago and I got around to finishing it today.  Took about 2 weeks of sporadic reading to read the first half, then I finished the rest in like 2 days as it picked up.  I really liked it, and will probably start the second book soon.

It's interesting because it's absolutely not a book I'd have picked up just reading the blurb, and not knowing what I want to read is a big part of why I don't read more.  "Chicago wizard / hardboiled detective" isn't something that would have jumped out at me, but it goes to show you that execution beats premise.
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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2022, 01:37:49 am »

Absolutely failed to read anything last year.

I might read Dune this year, I might not. LotR would be after that if I manage it.
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2022, 02:09:56 am »

Hoping to actually read and finish some stuff this year. Currently working on:
Humans 2.0: Scientific, Philosophical, and Theological Perspectives on Transhumanism by Fazale R. Rana with Kenneth R. Samples
Estrogeneration: How Estrogenics Are Making You Fat, Sick, and Infertile by Anthony G. Jay
Be Not Afraid by James Ellis
Taxi Driver by Richard Elman
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2022, 06:41:13 am »

Hoping to actually read and finish some stuff this year. Currently working on:
Humans 2.0: Scientific, Philosophical, and Theological Perspectives on Transhumanism by Fazale R. Rana with Kenneth R. Samples
Estrogeneration: How Estrogenics Are Making You Fat, Sick, and Infertile by Anthony G. Jay
Be Not Afraid by James Ellis
Taxi Driver by Richard Elman
Put pretty much everything on this list except Estrogeneration on hold for now. I plan to read all three of the other titles to completion in the near future but for now they are all on the back burner. Meanwhile, I am making steady progress in Estrogeneration and will probably be done soon. I also started rereading Harassment Architecture by Mike Ma and am hoping that it will be as good on a re-read as it was the first time I read it a few years back.
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Re: 2022 Hot Fresh Reading Challenge Thread
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2022, 09:45:35 am »

To be clear, Lovecraft was exceptionally bigoted for his time. I read a lot of contemporary fiction to him, and yes, it is all bigoted, but Lovecraft goes an extra mile. Contemporaries have issues like assuming racial hierarchy (darker skinned characters are subservient or morally less pure) as a matter of short hand. Lovecraft has characters go mad, kill their own children, and blow their own brains out when they discover their blood is "tainted".
Lmao I wrote my dissertation on this! Though I argued that he was not exceptional for the times. This was the era in which the SS said the Americans were being excessive with the one drop rule; theories of scientific racialism, the great chain of being as applied to human racial hierarchy and so on were born in America. My argument was that back then amongst many literate and scientific circles, white supremacism was accepted as a matter of fact rather than political extremism. Lovecraft is also more interesting than people tend to dismiss him as; he is not a simple bigot, he was a self-loathing scientific racialist who viewed himself as a medical invalid - disqualified from the racial hierarchy, and was deeply saddened that he couldn't join the US army in time for WWI in order to be killed by shrapnel or bullet. There is a short story he wrote which illustrates this perfectly, wherein a Prussian captain begins executing his submarine crewmates, noting they were all weak Rhinelanders or Alpenine Germans, all inferior to his own Prussian stock. It's not a generous take on the racialist mentality. Lovecraft subscribes to theories on scientific racialism, but not the theory itself. He applies it to its limits just as he did to recent theories on relativity, the scale of the cosmos or the notion of evolution. It's why in his stories none of the White Americans are as pure and supreme as they think; not as distinct in race, differing from elder things or atavistic things only in degrees and not by kind. He's a racist who says there's no evidence basis for race in the face of theories on natural selection or evolution, just like how the cultists who worship Cthulhu as god have no proof Cthulhu is a god. It's important that you have characters who assert themselves as separate from other "races" as minute as crossing a river, e.g. a white English man separate from another white Welsh man, but they discover they are not even in a discreet category separate from a freaky fish boi. He separates what the chars believe to be true from what is true
This kind of weirdness about Lovecraft's attitudes towards race is probably why he is more popular amongst non-white readers than amongst white readers lmao. Except one of my white professors, who disliked his work not because of his views, but because she hated his pulpy prose style - fair enough, it's not for everyone.

There is a similar but different rich vein of debate on Poe and racism, or Conrad and racism, which I would love to go into if people are interested. I think some people here may have already seen that infamous thing about "DON'T BRING UP THE ORANGUTAN."
One of my favourite arguments was over one British explorer who wrote a journal entry about seeing a hairy thing that used primitive tools in the jungles of Borneo. The controversy was caused in that no one could figure out whether he was being racist about a local or if he was describing an orangutan  ???
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« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2022, 12:35:01 pm »

Harassment Architecture? Really?

I feel like it's a lot easier to fantasize about killing others when your government officials aren't fantasizing about you being first.
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Re: 2022 Hot Fresh Reading Challenge Thread
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2022, 01:39:57 pm »

*EDIT whoops I am way too tired rn. I will dream of orangutans
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