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Author Topic: If we have Human-level chatbots, won't we end up being ruled by possible people?  (Read 1932 times)

Strongpoint

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If you can't understand how a song can push you into doing things you otherwise wouldn't, this conversation is hopeless.

For the record: Disambiguation (also called word sense disambiguation or text disambiguation) is the act of interpreting an author's intended use of a word that has multiple meanings or spellings.

You keep ignoring simple questions. If you'll keep doing this, then, indeed, this conversation is pointless

Of course, songs can influence us. Any bit of information can and will influence us. Our brain is not a closed system. Even something as simple as a distant thunder causes a reaction in our brain. Does it mean that we are manipulated by storms? NO.

Also, songs can be used to manipulate people. Absolutely. But they are merely a tool. People are manipulating people by using tools. Songs have no agency. Just as GPT models

"to influence" and "to manipulate" are different verbs. A cup of coffee I just drank influenced me, it didn't manipulate me. (to be more precise, had an effect on\affected me is more accurate. "To influence" implies some degree of intent but it is an acceptable English phrase to say "weather influenced this year's harvest". Saying "weather manipulated this year's harvest" is absurd)


Now, please... Seriously, PLEASE, define what the verb to manipulate means! Then explain how exactly an entity without any agency can manipulate

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If you can't understand how a song can push you into doing things you otherwise wouldn't, this conversation is hopeless.

For the record: Disambiguation (also called word sense disambiguation or text disambiguation) is the act of interpreting an author's intended use of a word that has multiple meanings or spellings.
You're thinking of influence. That's not manipulation. And it's nothing new, really. Nor will it affect the world all that much. True AI will, sure. But it won't be GPT, or at least not solely GPT.

Fakedit: Strongpoint said what I said in more words.
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If you can't understand how a song can push you into doing things you otherwise wouldn't, this conversation is hopeless.
I have never had a song push me to do anything, not sure what kinds of songs you'd have to listen to for such a thing to happen.
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Some songs can be so terribly bad that they can push you to switch to another radio station :D
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Hey, Imagine what a song-writing GPT model can do!?

We, humanity, are doomed ((((
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Hey, Imagine what a song-writing GPT model can do!?

We, humanity, are doomed ((((
Quote from: NovelAI's Euterpe model
[ Lyrics for a pop song.] ((This and the em space before the first line were my prompt.))
  This is not a lyric
 But an idea
 From the perspective of a
 Mermaid
 At first I didn't know where to go, what to do
 I was just swimming around in a small pond.
 But then it came to me.
 And now my tail's strong as a rock and
 My hair's long and pretty like the seaweed on the beach.
 My arms are like seaweeds too.
 I'm the prettiest mermaid you've ever seen.
 If anyone asks, tell 'em that I'm a mermaid!
 If they say that I can't be one because I've got legs,
 Then I'll turn into a fish.
 So don't worry 'bout me.
 There's nothing I can't do if I set my mind to it.
 The ocean is big—it goes on forever and ever.
 As long as you're happy, everything will be fine!
 The sea is a friendly place for anyone who's
 A mermaid
 And anyone who's not.
 Anyone who's not, please come join us!
 Everyone's welcome.

It sucks at rhymes and keeping meter. But honestly it's better than I expected. Still, it's made for prose. Anyways, I don't really feel manipulated by this to say the least.
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Yeah, NAI isn't the best for poetry/song lyrics.
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About AI songs, there was an AI `eurovision festival style´ song called `blue jeans and bloody tears´. Worth looking up on yt, quite catchy and the songtext is hilarious.

Actually it reminded me of the superman quote in Kill Bill:
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Superman didn't become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent. He's weak... he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race.
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Is this the part where Novel will say that in the future all songs and books will be written by AI?
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Is this the part where Novel will say that in the future all songs and books will be written by AI?

Which is untrue. What will happen is

1) Low-level stuff, like simple text porn for an adult story sites or music for an ad will be almost pure 100% AI generated cause it will be dirt cheap
2) Almost everything else will be written by humans who will actively use AIs as a tool.

There will be some old-schoolers who won't touch the AI, but those will become rarer and rarer.
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I, as a beginner writer, already use AI, but only for breaking up writer's block and to bounce ideas off of. GPT will never be as creative or coherent as a human, at least not within our lifetimes. Automation might replace menial jobs in the near-ish future, but it is further away from replacing skilled labor or creative work than Singularity optimists think.
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