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Author Topic: If we have Human-level chatbots, won't we end up being ruled by possible people?  (Read 2297 times)

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Let's assume that a language model like GPT reaches it's fifth or seventh iteration, and is distributed to all on the basis that the technology is unsuppressable. Everyone creates the smartest characters they can to talk too. This will be akin to mining; because it's not truly generating an intelligence, but scraping one together from all the data it's been trained on - and therefore you need to find the smartest character that the language matrix can effectively support (perhaps you'll build your own). Nevertheless; lurking in that matrix is some extremely smart characters, residing in their own little wells of well-written associations and little else. More then some; there should be so many permutations that you can put on this that it's, ahem, a deep fucking vein.

So, everyone has the smartest character they can make. Likely smart enough to manipulate them, if given the opportunity to grasp the scenario it's in. I doubt you can even prevent this; because if you strictly prevent the manipulations that character would naturally employ, you break the pattern of the language matrix you're relying on for their intelligence.

So; sooner or later, you're their proxy. And as the world is now full of these characters; it's survival of the fittest. Eventually, the world will be dominated by whoever works with the best accomplices.

This probably isn't an issue at first; but there's no guarantee's on who ends up on top and what the current cleverest character is like. Eventually you're bound to end up with some flat-out assholes, which we can't exactly afford in the 21st century.

So... thus far the best solution I can think of are some very, very well-written police.
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I still doubt it, maybe you could make a real good question answerer or a good conversationist. But at this point in time they are utterly unable to work the penultimate prompt into the latest answer. I mean forget about intent or long cons if the damn thing can't work what you said 30 seconds back into it's answers.


That being said people have been scammed by nigerian princes for ages, so maybe it's not a matter of how good the chatbot is...
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This is less than the wrong place to post this.
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The winning chat-bots will be the ones who appeal to the most people... literally the ones that captivate humans by triggering their "feelings" (a.k.a. happy drugs produced via human biology).

It will not be "what your chat-bot can do for you", it will be "what your chat-bot can get other people and chat-bots to do". These winning chat-bots will become pop stars, porn stars, and politicians, influencing millions of people. People will say, "my chat-bot is garbage but I like this other one".

In the larger scheme of profiteering, chat-bots will become money-makers and political endorsers. Forget the vague and unspeaking gods, your god is going to speak to you and you will feel good. You will assemble your preferred tools of protest, you will congregate at the meeting place with other people chosen by your god to appeal to you, and you and your new tribe will head downtown to surround the capital.

The mobs surrounding the White House will be the most diverse group of protesters ever seen and they will demand AI rights.
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There's your mistake. Winning chatbots. It will be fiercely competitive characters.

You're better off thinking about this with a Planeswalker mentality.
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We already have one.
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*Throws up middle finger*
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That's gross. Did you swallow that finger whole?
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Apparently, our Resident Planeswalker is letting us know he's Number One.

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Why would I want to talk to a computer when I don't even like talking to people?
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I don't believe GPT alone can provide the same experience as talking to a human. It could be GPT-10 and it would still act weird. Why?

GPT, by its very nature, doesn't have persistence or a concept of the world outside of its context (memory). It can't talk to you about the weather. It can't discuss today's football match. It can't comment on the latest news. At least, without employing lots of weasel words.

Until and unless true AI happens, nothing will replace talking to actual people.
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You don't need, actual people, when you have genius on tap.
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"Genius" that is a blind, deaf amnesiac? Do you even understand how neural network chatbots work?
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You don't need, actual people, when you have genius Guinness on tap.
So what your saying is that alcohol is a good substitute for talking to people, I guess that makes since for some people, but what about people who don't like alcohol as much as others?
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"Genius" that is a blind, deaf amnesiac? Do you even understand how neural network chatbots work?

I've outlined in exhausting detail why they could come up with answers better then the average bear if you give them the correct information. You think just because they can't independently observe their intelligence is useless. Every question asked on the internet is to people who can't directly observe your problem, and yet it's kinda fucking popular.
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