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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #375 on: March 21, 2023, 10:22:09 am »

I thought we had an AI thread at one point tough, guess it doesn't matter in the end since we're here talking about AI right now.
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #376 on: March 21, 2023, 10:30:16 am »

I thought we had an AI thread at one point tough, guess it doesn't matter in the end since we're here talking about AI right now.

There is just so much stuff developing in AI right now, though. You got:
- AI text completion
- AI voice synthesis
- AI art tools
- AI Text-to-video
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #377 on: March 21, 2023, 11:00:48 am »

We had stochastic music generators before... But I am waiting for the tool that does to music what midgard and e-dalle does to images.
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #378 on: March 21, 2023, 11:17:50 am »

None of the current AI tools consistently create production-level results enough to be relied upon exclusively, but they do generate good prototype-level and human cleanup-able baselines to go off.  Useful when doing a Ludum Dare at least :)

Which is always the hard part to get people to understand about AI stuff: It's statistical nature. If it's predicting with a 90% accuracy and you apply it to 1000 people, you're going to get on average 100 wrong results which means you can't rely on it as gospel. If it's generating content that's 90% right, it's still 10% wrong.

People *suck* at not treating statistics as gospel. Some people will see 60% accuracy and treat that as a sure thing instead of practically a coin-flip. Or at least let it bias their decision making more than the odds warrant. Also unfortunately, those kinds of people have a bad habit of being in the high level decision making positions.
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #379 on: March 21, 2023, 12:21:15 pm »

What do we call production level, young scrolls is making millions of clicks with kinda midi sounding music, and rihtfully so.



If it suffers from the same issues as TTS, meaning it generates additional noise in (trained on speeches in big rooms with reverb etc), you might get a slighlty degraded output... then again it's ML if you train it on songs with insanely high production value, it might just think kicks with real punch are the default.

As a listening experience a little "noise shadows" (i just baptised them that those flangery reverby echoes) isnt an issue as long as it doesn't pop like buffer overload sounds... As final product to release it's not good enough, but also to release AI generated music for sale is pathetic... But as an ingredient for improvisation I could respect it a lot.


But if you can direct it through language like midgard, man that's just powerful: do vivaldi but use metallica's instruments, give me 1 second C3 with the bassline heard in this example, imitate this drum loop with mild variations for 10 minutes while I do my workout...



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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #381 on: March 23, 2023, 12:40:33 pm »

People *suck* at not treating statistics as gospel. Some people will see 60% accuracy and treat that as a sure thing instead of practically a coin-flip. Or at least let it bias their decision making more than the odds warrant. Also unfortunately, those kinds of people have a bad habit of being in the high level decision making positions.
That's because they never played old xcom games.

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Just a heads-up - Midjourney's AI can now do hands correctly. Be extra critical of any political imagery (especially photography) you see online that is trying to incite a reaction.

But can fake people eat noodles correctly now ?
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #382 on: March 23, 2023, 01:24:01 pm »

Quote from: the forbes article
Just a heads-up - Midjourney's AI can now do hands correctly. Be extra critical of any political imagery (especially photography) you see online that is trying to incite a reaction.
...but can they do Trump-hands..?
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #383 on: March 23, 2023, 09:23:27 pm »

What do we call production level, young scrolls is making millions of clicks with kinda midi sounding music, and rihtfully so.

People accept the odd "huh that's weird" from that kind of content, what I mean by production-level is when you can take the output and directly utilize it with no more human alteration/refinement and without those kind of "uncanny valley" moments. That doesn't happy consistently enough to not still require human oversight or correction using specialist knowledge. Which is what makes it a useful prototyping or speeding-up tool rather than a reliable replacement for human workers. It can reduce the people needed same as any other tool does, but not down to 0.

Take TTS, ElevenLabs has some odd or stilted delivery that sounds uncannily mechanical. Using it in production still requires a human to go in and either rerun it until it gets it right, or change parameters until it gets it right.
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« Reply #384 on: March 24, 2023, 01:21:27 am »

Damn even the robots are getting in on that fake news thing.
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #385 on: March 24, 2023, 09:53:16 am »

Damn even the robots are getting in on that fake news thing.
Uh, they were designed for fake news.

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« Reply #386 on: March 25, 2023, 03:19:50 am »

OH GOD that means we're gonna be over run with all the fake news these things could pump out!
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #387 on: March 25, 2023, 08:54:28 am »

TRUST NOTHING
IT COULD ALL BE AI
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Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of AI Awareness
« Reply #388 on: March 26, 2023, 06:14:50 pm »

TRUST NOTHING
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EVEN THIS POST AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!

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