What you don’t understand is nuance. My criticism of one side does not mean I support the other side, whether wholeheartedly, half-heartedly, or a teeny tiny bawhair, and it does not mean I don’t support the side I’m criticizing. It’s utterly moronic that you have thought this the entire time we’ve been posting here to the point you think I’m anti-Semitic.
When criticism of side A in a conflict is disproportional to criticism of side B, it does mean that you are on side B and anti-side A.
In what way is it disproportional? I have said Hamas are terrorists. That says… well, everything, right? They’re terrorists. Heck, an Israeli actually has to
do something bad for me to think they need to be punished or investigated or whatever, just being a member of Hamas should be grounds for being locked up while they find something (genuine) to pin on you, and if they can’t, keep eyeballs on you at
all fucking times.
Like, we had that discussion a while back in which I was solidly against violent protest - of which I would suggest terrorism is a pretty extreme form - in pretty much every instance, so why you think that I would support anybody who uses violence to achieve their aims is genuinely baffling to me.
You’ll probably ignore that again because you can’t look beyond the following though:
Also, If I would say something like "I do not condone the ISIS attack on the Moscow Concert Hall, BUT, you know, Russia has been colonizing Muslim lands for centuries, murdered scores of Muslims in Syria, kills Russian Muslim by disproportionally mobilizing them to war, is largely xenophobic to... yada, yada, yada" I would, in fact, condone the attack on that Concert Hall with the brutal murder of random civilians.
Can I count that as the fourth time, by my reckoning, that you can’t bring yourself to call me an anti-Semite, preferring suggestion and innuendo like you’re some bizarro political Carry On film? If only you were so coy about the rest of the shite you spout.
Unless this is a passive-aggressive thing? You claim that’s not what you were saying even though it’s pretty clear that’s what you were referencing? ‘cause that… well I’d personally find it really funny that you’d resort to such childish emotional maneuvering. You’re a man of contrasts and it’s banana to me you can on the one hand solidly claim you’re cool with Ukrainians committing war crimes (so long as Russia does them too) but you can’t say what you think of me on the other hand. Get off my hand you fat fuck, would suffice.
See, you get all bent out of shape about me being pedantic about the language you use and then get pedantic about the language I used six months ago, despite the fact there have been multiple posts since then in which I have clearly condemned Hamas and what they stand for, including in the post you’re quoting from and responding to.
Then
I’m the one that gets accused of gaslighting? Bumber needs to go back to meme school.
Despite all my "love" towards Russians and my high tolerance for various tactics of violent resistance, It would be hypocritical and against the very basics of my morality. Note that the analogy is imperfect because most Muslims of Russia see this attack as a disgusting act of barbarity, while (pro-)Palestinians have somewhat different opinions on the October 7 (and similar, smaller-scale acts) while claiming the moral high ground.
PS. Good job calling Ukrainian soldiers who defend their land with effective tactics disgusting just because they don't follow some minor rules of the Geneva Conventions which are completely ignored by Russia. They dare to wage war how people waged those wars for centuries.
The hypocrisy gets a little boring at times, too.
Take this famine nonsense you’ve been harping on about for the last little while. You get all bent out of shape that folk are saying famine is coming to Gaza, then when bloop_bleep links to supporting evidence from an organization whose raison d'etre is eliminating hunger that 80% of the people they know about that are suffering the worst levels of hunger are in Gaza, you basically say “well people die at all five levels why are you focusing on just the worst one?” and then claim that you’re morals are
consistent.
Like, you’ve said there’s no food insecurity in Gaza (except in a few places) because some people have posted things complaining about MREs so they can’t possibly be at level 5 on the IFP scale is a thought that exists simultaneously with the thought that people alao die of starvation at levels 1-4 so they should focus on that too… when the IFP have also said 100% of people in Gaza are at level 3 on that scale.
It’s an impressive degree of congnitive dissonance, I’ll give you that.
And yeah, Ukrainians committing war crimes should be punished. That… really isn’t a controversial position, surely? It should certainly be investigated. Maybe they’d get off. Probably not a good idea to use the “but they started it” defense though.
PPE oh it’s the worst tag team since Strike Force, goddamn.
The fourth paragraph is an addendum to the previous commentar, suggesting that there are war crimes you can’t justify - again, implying there are those you can justify, if the most pressing of which is “they did it first!”
Helping win the war is a justification, considering the cost of losing. Targeting medics is banned because it increases the casualties of war disproportionate to its benefit (i.e., the number of wounded that will return to battle.) However, if the other side has decided to kill your medics and inflict maximum casualties? Then they should absolutely not be afforded any such courtesy. Reducing one side's casualties at the expense of the other is a farce.
No, targeting medics is verboten because they’re non-combatants, as likely are the wounded (or dead) they are transporting.
“Helping win the war” as a justification is… kinda bullshit though. Russia bombing cities because there are men there who might join the army or resist an occupation is acceptabke with that justification. Russia bombing civilian infrastructure during Winter is justifiable because it will sap the morale of the civilian populace, eventually resulting in pressure on the civilian government to end the war. Russia abducting Ukrainian children and adopting them out to patriotic Russian families and presumably brainwashing them in school will help win the war by doing the same, and they won’t have to worry about them growing up to be resisting their rule because presumably when Russia entered the war they thought they’d probably win.
Where do you draw the line with “helping win the war”?
It’s almost as though the Geneva Convention and its like were brought to bear in order to prevent the victor of every war essentially being decided in a race to the bottom to see which side can out atrocity the other(s).
Maybe a parent or teacher will stop the mean Russians by putting them in a time-out? Just don't shoot their medics! That's as bad as Russia's targeting of schools!
I don’t think I equated them? I mean sure they’d both be branded war criminals, but Stephen Bradbury is a gold medal Olympian, not really on the same level as… pfft, let’s say Michael Phelps, is he?
(And as to Israel, there's a clear distinction between bombing an area after attempting to warn the residents, versus firing rockets off randomly without any care as to where they're going to come down.)
Ah, did they give the same warning to the three Israeli hostages they shot, who they were there ostensibly to rescue? You know, the ones that came out shirtless with a white flag (surely I don’t have to remind you what the international symbol of surrender is?) with Hebrew writing on it while also shouting in Hebrew? Avoiding shit like this is why things like perfidy and not shooting on medics are war crimes.
Yeah, Hamas are terrorists. Why the fuck you would accept as reasonable anybody lowering themselves to that standard is genuinely beyond me. Do you think the hostages would have been shot - recalling that the third one was killed after surviving the first barrage - had Israel elevated themselves above acting like actual terrorists? If the political and/or military leadership had actually stepped up and instilled a little discipline for any of the other, lesser infractions prior to that, do you think the hostages would have been shot?
Like, literally all Israeli forces had to do to maintain global support is not be like Hamas, and they failed. There were reports of IDF members sexually abusing women and girls, IDF forces abducting and torturing medics after clearing hospitals, the fiasco with the aid in northern Gaza not that long ago.
Even Chuck Schumer - who has been a staunch ally to Israel in US politics for longer than I have existed on this earth - has spoken out against it. It is absolutely stunning how badly they’ve fucked this up.
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