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Pillbo

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Ladders carved into walls
« on: December 02, 2023, 05:36:50 pm »

The basic idea is to be able to make walls path-able and climbable for anyone (probably barring some disability) under normal circumstances, just like stairs or ramps. The reason I'd like to carve these into walls is because I don't want there to be a limit to how high they can go and with a movable ladder there will be more limitations.

There are a couple reasons I'd like this, I tend to build in caverns and I think it would be a good way of restricting traffic in and out (because you can't lay down to let another person climb over you), and I think it would simplify pathways in complicated multi z-level natural areas. I also think some ladders here and there would look more natural and ascetically pleasing feel than digging stairs into the walls.

It would open up creative new defense measures, like forcing a sieging army to climb ladders down a deep pit to enter your fortress while being exposed to marksdwarves, and it would also help squads stay in a position that is more easily defended. Right now I usually place a squad at the bottom of a staircase the siege is descending, but as soon as the first goblin pops out the dwarves run up the stairs in to the mix, with ladders they would be more forced to hold the positions

Bonus - useful for elven treehouses though I guess they'd 'grow' the ladders into the trunks instead of carving them.

I imagine it working like any engraving/fortification, the people are just stuck to the wall standing over air. No need for downladder/upladder stuff, and they should be able use the ladder below or above to carve the next level.
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Re: Ladders carved into walls
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2023, 10:12:12 pm »

I'm pretty sure this would cause a pathing nightmare as dwarves would constantly have to repath each time another dwarf reaches the ladder first.

If all ladders are occupied, that either causes a cancellation of their task, or FPS death as they spam calculations while waiting for a ladder to clear.
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Re: Ladders carved into walls
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2023, 02:05:51 am »

I believe siege ladders and the like are planned to be added, but there's a lot more holding back ladders than disabilities and job cancellations.

You'd have the problem of dwarves going down ladders while other dwarves are coming up. Then there's the problem of creatures getting spooked by a forgotten beast midway through climbing a ladder. What if the forgotten beast is where they're going and they have to change direction mid-climb? Do they climb faster when afraid? What if the ladder becomes submerged mid-climb? Also, how would a cat and other animals climb ladders? Does climbing a ladder, like tightly closed doors, require a degree of intelligence? If a creature is holding onto a ladder during combat, what limbs grasp the ladder? Can creatures mounted by another creature climb a ladder? How does a dwarf hauling a giant elephant corpse climb a ladder? Does the sight of ladders give dwarves with no arms a negative thought?

Carved ladders might be slightly easier to add than special ladder objects that span multiple z-levels, but at that point real ladders wouldn't be too far off.
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