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Zereth

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How does fertilization work?
« on: August 15, 2006, 08:29:00 pm »

As far as I can tell, the process is supposed to go like this:

Produce ash at a wood furnace.
Use ash and a bucket to make a bucket of lye.
Use the bucket of lye to make potash.
Use the potash to fertilize your fields, increasing crop yeild to the 18 immigrants who showed up with the spring thaw.


Now, how it actually seems to be going is like this:

Produce ashes at the furnace.
Dwarves take ash and a bucket to the ashery.
Dwarves then nail the bucket to the ashery so it can't be used and snort the ashes so they disappear.

Am I missing something?

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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 08:46:00 pm »

If you do [k] and the enter on the bucket, is there lye inside?  It might look like it is gone because it isn't in the building inventory.
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Zereth

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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 08:51:00 pm »

quote:
Originally posted by Toady One:
<STRONG>If you do [k] and the enter on the bucket, is there lye inside?  It might look like it is gone because it isn't in the building inventory.</STRONG>

Oh ho! It DOES in fact contain lye!

Which the dwarves don't seem to be able to figure out, so they won't make potash with it.

Oh, and I have to use [t] becuase the bucket's inside the ashery still.

[ August 15, 2006: Message edited by: Zereth ]

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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 08:54:00 pm »

Oh whoops -- there's an extra step.  bucket of lye needs to be poured into an empty barrel in your furniture pile, or the potash makers won't see it, I think.
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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 09:00:00 pm »

btw, Toady, has there been a turndown in farm output in this version? I seem to have extreme trouble trying to build up a food store with 2 6x6 farms and about 45 dwarves. I'm always perched on the cusp of starvation, as each plant showing on the map only shows up as a single when harvested, rather than 2 or 3 as it was before. Given how easy it was to keep the stores full of about 80 plants with the same amount of fields and farmers and 70 dwarves in a prior version, i wonder if there has been a switch?
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Zereth

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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 09:01:00 pm »

Aw man. I have a hard enough time getting them to do stuff when I know about it. Is this "item hauling"?
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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 09:02:00 pm »

I think it might actually require fertilizer to get it up now.  Has anybody gotten potash from a barrel of lye yet?  I haven't heard much positive news about that step.
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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 09:08:00 pm »

Yes, I've been making potash successfully. It is kind of annoying how much hauling they do, though. I think workshop buildings really need to look for materials in the building itself before looking for stockpiles.
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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 09:08:00 pm »

i've had, but it took an entire spring to even get 5 pieces of potash due to various cannot find item errors for the lye barrel as it was being moved around. Way too labour inefficient for my own tastes, especially if you need 10 pieces for a decent-sized field.
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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2006, 09:30:00 pm »

10 pieces for a field of 40 = 120-200 food. I don't think that's too extravagant.
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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 09:44:00 pm »

I think from a 2x2 with one potash you get an average of 8 extra food, anywhere from 0 to 16.

Off to the planning phone call (a few hours every day with co-developer ThreeToe, though we've just been reading stories about killer groundhogs and laughing lately)...  I'll put up whatever I've got compiled after that, I think, and we can then welcome Gezol to the game.

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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 04:17:00 am »

It was way too easy to farm before, now its way too hard and inefficient. There must be some kind of...medium.
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Toady One

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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2006, 04:23:00 am »

I don't think farming skill gives an output bonus right now.  That might help.
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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 08:39:00 am »

Also if cooking skill gave even a small bonus to food output, or well cooked food was a leeetle more nutritious, that would help a bit too.  

(I tested this in a pair of short games, and a 4 click cook never gave any bonus food over ingredients, and the cooked food did not stave off starvation any longer than non-cooked food, alas).

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Re: How does fertilization work?
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2006, 09:54:00 am »

I'm just spamming farms and ignoring the fertilisation for now, though that may change now I've got the java lava buildings setup so my dependance upon wood is down to just beds now.

I'm praying that my 100 odd plots of mud will get me through the season with my new immigrants.

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