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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #150 on: June 12, 2008, 10:00:00 pm »

Unless it's a Sports game.  Then it somehow manages to make the pile of money bigger.
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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #151 on: June 12, 2008, 10:09:00 pm »

As long as we're talking fantasy, the thing to buy from Toady are options.  If some fanboy, lurker or troublemaker came into millions and wanted to throw a bone at Toady they'd have to get something in return and options are a good way to go.  There are a few reasons why.

Gifts over the gift tax limit are burdensome.  I think it's eleven grand, now, but it could be more.  I don't work in that department anymore.  See, the giftor pays the tax, not the giftee.  Still, people with 'too much money' are encouraged by their accountants, if they hire good ones, to limit their own tax burden.  

Sure you can play shell games with the gift tax by max gifting to your target and then max gifting to some other individual who then max gifts to your target.  But that either involves trust or complication legalisms.  And who's to say you don't want to use the same trick (which you can only use once per year per pass-through) to max gift to your niece's 529 through your aunt and uncle, assuming you can trust family to begin with.

I don't know how Toady is set up, but if he's accepting donations through a non-profit model that eases up the restrictions on donations.  But it creates new restrictions on him and complicates things he's probably currently doing out of his checkbook.  It's a fine thing to do if you can pay an accountant to reconcile your books on a quarterly basis, but I don't think Toady and his brother are up for that.  I also doubt either one of them have taken 300-level accounting classes or are too terribly keen on self-learning that discipline to an adequate degree.

So that leaves the Old Choices, namely Debt or Equity.  

Debt financing is out of the question since you have to pay it back and this business model, no offense, doesn't feel like it's at the point where such a commitment is a prudent choice.  It's like getting married at sixteen.  Sure it works for some people, but for most you're on a five year timer to heartbreak and financial sorrow.

Divorce, death, and taxes are what makes my job truly interesting, beyond the odd fat-fingering in account setup or migration.

Direct equity financing may be a bit rash at this point because Toady and his brother cannot be reasonably expected to understand how much their stock should be worth if their efforts are successful.  Honestly the same is true for potential investors, whose decisions should be made carefully and given respect as well.

But options, options can be sold to finance growth, sustenance and a desktop computer that won't seize up like some rape-traumatized nice-girl the first time some gentleman puts his hand on the care package to the male race that G-d put where her legs come together.  As long as Toady and his brother are careful not to sell options for more than 49% (or as long as they institute some kind of wildassed Founders' Shares scheme (see F)), they can maintain total control of the company into perpetuity.

And total control is inclusive of creative control, which is what we care about.  Well, it's what I care about, anyway.

Anyway, they can maintain effective control with less than 51%, but that's another story.  Most founders don't have the ability to scale their business past a certain degree and require Adult Supervision at some point.  But that subject is beyond the scope of this post.

If I were to win the Powerball or some other fantasy windfall, I would put together an offer for options, with the caveat that I be allowed to help.  Ten years ago I really enjoyed coding and I have a tolerance for monotony that suites a code-grinder.  I wrote bad C that balanced on the edge of obfuscation.  But it cut out clock-cycles while it was earning me bad marks from instructors who favored legibility.

With an understanding that I was to provide no creative input I could still enjoy optimizing and bug-chasing in someone else's code according to someone else's rules.

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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #152 on: June 12, 2008, 10:33:00 pm »

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Originally posted by MuonDecay:
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EA was not the maker of that game, but the agent of the maker. The same goes for Maxis games.

EA doesn't make anything at all, EA has no creative talent. That talent is provided by subsidiaries and such. EA itself is just an entrenched venture capitalist firm that happens to specialize in gaming. They are not a game developer, they're just a publisher. EA does not make games any more than Bloomsbury Publishing wrote Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.

The best way to look at EA is to think of them as a large pile of money. A pile of money, left alone, cannot make a game. However if you give a large pile of money to a talented creative company, they can make a great game. Alternately if you give a large pile of money to a gaggle of inept and uninspired nitwits, they will usually produce a very crappy game with an expensive graphics engine and an overrun budget and poor sales which will require a second pile of money just to repair.

[ June 12, 2008: Message edited by: MuonDecay ]</STRONG>


I second this particular analogy.

Also, if you should have some objection as to the blatant uselessness of this (my) post, I propose that any idea deserves at least a bit of recognition, seeing as it may make you think about it just a bit more. Plus everyone likes to have their ideas validated by complete strangers.

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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #153 on: June 13, 2008, 02:32:00 am »

EA whispers sweet temptations in your ear while reaching with one hand into your pocket for your wallet.

The only thing the gamer base is left with is broken dreams and greater sympathy for socialistic values.

That's how the entire left wing political arena sprung up. Someone decided that they had enough of EA and were prepared to dismantle and disenfranchise them.

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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #154 on: June 13, 2008, 05:31:00 am »

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I second this particular analogy.

Also, if you should have some objection as to the blatant uselessness of this (my) post, I propose that any idea deserves at least a bit of recognition, seeing as it may make you think about it just a bit more. Plus everyone likes to have their ideas validated by complete strangers.</STRONG>


It's a good metaphor but flawed.  A better description of EA would be that it is a sentient pile of money that's only goal and reason for existence is to increase it's own size by whatever means necessary.

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« Reply #155 on: June 13, 2008, 05:50:00 am »

A typical human being in other words, a worthless parasite who actively destroys his home while making things worse for his fellow beings.

Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?

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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #156 on: June 13, 2008, 06:06:00 am »

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<STRONG>A typical human being in other words, a worthless parasite who actively destroys his home while making things worse for his fellow beings.

Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?</STRONG>


You really are just a troll...  Good grief, I agree with Armok.  Someone who just posts random insulting bullshit in response to posts and then ignores the replies just drags down the whole forum.

I bet he doesn't even like Kittens.

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[ June 13, 2008: Message edited by: Ioric Kittencuddler ]

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« Reply #157 on: June 13, 2008, 06:13:00 am »

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Originally posted by Ioric Kittencuddler:
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You really are just a troll...  Good grief, I agree with Armok.  Someone who just posts random insulting bullshit in response to posts and then ignores the replies just drags down the whole forum.

I bet he doesn't even like Kittens.

[ June 13, 2008: Message edited by: Ioric Kittencuddler ]

[ June 13, 2008: Message edited by: Ioric Kittencuddler ]</STRONG>


Well he does get some bonus for the system shock refference.

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« Reply #158 on: June 13, 2008, 07:46:00 am »

Seriously, but at least it's kewl random insulting bullshit. That's pretty hard to find on the internet.
Even the trolls are of a higher class on the DWAAARF FORTRESS forums. Amazing.
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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #159 on: June 13, 2008, 08:50:00 am »

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I bet he doesn't even like Kittens.
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Puppies are better.  Specifically Boston Terrier puppies.

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« Reply #160 on: June 13, 2008, 11:59:00 am »

Puppies bite too hard.  Otherwise I might agree.  Kittens make cuter noises though, so...
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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #161 on: June 13, 2008, 01:40:00 pm »

"SqueeaauuwLCH"

(cute sound of a kitten, being 'cuddled' by a dwarf)

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Re: For the 2 Adams
« Reply #162 on: June 13, 2008, 04:18:00 pm »

quote:
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You really are just a troll...  Good grief, I agree with Armok.  Someone who just posts random insulting bullshit in response to posts and then ignores the replies just drags down the whole forum.

I bet he doesn't even like Kittens.

[ June 13, 2008: Message edited by: Ioric Kittencuddler ]

[ June 13, 2008: Message edited by: Ioric Kittencuddler ]</STRONG>


I wasn't saying you're worthless, just that your entire species is, the world really would be better without humans, you know it.

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« Reply #163 on: June 13, 2008, 04:21:00 pm »

Have you been hanging out with Dreadfang?
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« Reply #164 on: June 13, 2008, 04:27:00 pm »

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I wasn't saying you're worthless, just that your entire species is, the world really would be better without humans, you know it.</STRONG>


Fortunately, I have a solution for this.  You see, if the species is worthless, the obvious answer is to improve the species.  

To that end, I have started my own deep-sea research foundation.

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