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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31860 on: June 17, 2019, 11:21:34 am »

I didn't get through the first episode before turning it off in disgust.

Wow, thatís a heck of a reaction. It clearly doesnít have the same animation and budget behind it, thatís obvious. So it capitalised on a great first season by releasing something a bit more... standard shounen, doesnít make it dogshit, just less world-shattering.

That being said Iím now gonna bitch hypocritically about Rising of the Shield Hero. Isekai seem to come in two discrete categories. 1. The protagonist is the best, and they are given insane power from the beginning with or 2. The protagonist is just as strong as or less strong than others in the world, and have to use their wits, or game the system in order to get ahead.
I really, really like the second one, a la Log Horizon. I am very slow to enjoy the former, a la sword art online, but I can get into them happily.
I find really, really distasteful when they pretend to be one and then switch to another. Shield Hero started with levels of adversity depressing enough to chase off all of the fairycatchers, but now itís gotten so bright that the mushroom farmers like me are finding it difficult to persist. Suddenly heís amazing at everything, and the convoluted manual smithing heís been doing from the beginning has turned out to be the best way to do things and blah blah.
Itís getting to me.

Iíve heard that the latest season has some of the most contrived shounen in it, so I havenít checked too much out. Any recommendations would be awesome
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31861 on: June 17, 2019, 03:53:03 pm »

Has anyone watched Ingress on Netflix? If so, what do you think?

I mean, Anime and Netflix are both fairly hit-or-miss, so...
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31862 on: June 17, 2019, 04:49:53 pm »

I didn't get through the first episode before turning it off in disgust.

Wow, thatís a heck of a reaction. It clearly doesnít have the same animation and budget behind it, thatís obvious. So it capitalised on a great first season by releasing something a bit more... standard shounen, doesnít make it dogshit, just less world-shattering.

That being said Iím now gonna bitch hypocritically about Rising of the Shield Hero. Isekai seem to come in two discrete categories. 1. The protagonist is the best, and they are given insane power from the beginning with or 2. The protagonist is just as strong as or less strong than others in the world, and have to use their wits, or game the system in order to get ahead.
I really, really like the second one, a la Log Horizon. I am very slow to enjoy the former, a la sword art online, but I can get into them happily.
I find really, really distasteful when they pretend to be one and then switch to another. Shield Hero started with levels of adversity depressing enough to chase off all of the fairycatchers, but now itís gotten so bright that the mushroom farmers like me are finding it difficult to persist. Suddenly heís amazing at everything, and the convoluted manual smithing heís been doing from the beginning has turned out to be the best way to do things and blah blah.
Itís getting to me.

Iíve heard that the latest season has some of the most contrived shounen in it, so I havenít checked too much out. Any recommendations would be awesome

Yeah, I thought that the level of shallow, naive wish fulfillment was really intense in Shield Hero, to the point of quickly making the show unenjoyable. Even the very beginning of the show with the false accusations and unfair discrimination laid on the protagonist, that itself is a kind of wish fulfillment, in that it panders to the Victim Complex held by the losers and lowlife otakus of society.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31863 on: June 17, 2019, 05:07:46 pm »

I didn't get through the first episode before turning it off in disgust.

Wow, thatís a heck of a reaction. It clearly doesnít have the same animation and budget behind it, thatís obvious. So it capitalised on a great first season by releasing something a bit more... standard shounen, doesnít make it dogshit, just less world-shattering.

That being said Iím now gonna bitch hypocritically about Rising of the Shield Hero. Isekai seem to come in two discrete categories. 1. The protagonist is the best, and they are given insane power from the beginning with or 2. The protagonist is just as strong as or less strong than others in the world, and have to use their wits, or game the system in order to get ahead.
I really, really like the second one, a la Log Horizon. I am very slow to enjoy the former, a la sword art online, but I can get into them happily.
I find really, really distasteful when they pretend to be one and then switch to another. Shield Hero started with levels of adversity depressing enough to chase off all of the fairycatchers, but now itís gotten so bright that the mushroom farmers like me are finding it difficult to persist. Suddenly heís amazing at everything, and the convoluted manual smithing heís been doing from the beginning has turned out to be the best way to do things and blah blah.
Itís getting to me.

Iíve heard that the latest season has some of the most contrived shounen in it, so I havenít checked too much out. Any recommendations would be awesome
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31864 on: June 17, 2019, 05:48:30 pm »

Gods, yes. Isekai is known for being schlock before and to an order of magnitude greater than anything else. Shield hero is in no way an exception on that front.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31865 on: June 18, 2019, 08:09:51 pm »

One Punch Man season 2 is on Hulu. Dub + Sub
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31866 on: June 18, 2019, 08:23:01 pm »

Yes. It also is apparently bad. Though I have not watched it myself.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31867 on: June 18, 2019, 08:39:59 pm »

I've enjoyed it. It's certainly not of the quality of the first season, but it's not outright bad.

I sort of felt like the first season was that perfect combination of fun that you can't really replicate on-demand, so my expectations haven't been dashed.
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« Reply #31868 on: June 19, 2019, 08:33:57 am »

Yeah, it doesn't seem that it's bad, just that it's not the same level of awesome that S1 was at. Though according to Mother's Basement, reading the manga is still the superior option.

Meanwhile, on Netflix, Aggretsuko season 2 is out in its entirety. I finished it, and I feel there's not as much death metal goodness, and the troubles that Retsuko has are not as starkly depressing or relatable, though that may just be that I'm not a 25 yr old woman being pressured into marriage and family life by my mother.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31869 on: June 19, 2019, 09:35:35 am »

I mean, Anime and Netflix are both fairly hit-or-miss, so...
They just brought Samurai Champloo on, so thatís a hit. Unless you mean Netflix original, in which case castlevania was a hit.
Unless you mean direct Japanese, in which case... Gargantua was okay.

Also I can mention some isekai which definitely arenít wish fulfilment cheesefests

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« Reply #31870 on: June 19, 2019, 09:59:41 am »

It's mostly the conjuction of Isekai and light novels. For example I recently completed (damn my completionist thing) Campione, which is a light-novel based 12 episode anime. It was the most misbegotten load of overpowered wish-fulfillment battle harem crap I've seen in ages. This stuff was the main LN dreck before SAO came along. It's more about the light novel industry than about isekai as a genre. It's just that isekai found itself especially suitable to the light novel format, so the common traits of light novels got fused with the isekai idea.

The only remotely interesting thing in Campione was something that's also a common light-novel flaw: to beat the gods in the series the hero has to find out the secret behind their name, which invariably involves the hero randomly info-dumping a long passage explaining the name behind that god. The format of a fan novel / light novel seems to lend itself to lengthy insert passages in authors-voice delivering us whatever random knowledge the edgelord author thinks will impress us. See Ready Player One as a western example of that.

I think the main point with light novels being so awful as a medium is the lack of any discernable skills you need to churn out a "novel". Whereas for visual novels you need artists and programmers and for manga you need art skills and assistants to hit the release schedule. So there's a higher bar to entry in those other mediums.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31871 on: June 19, 2019, 11:32:25 am »

Oh, so light novels are actual books text-only books? I thought they were just the manga equivalent of kiosk literature.
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« Reply #31872 on: June 19, 2019, 11:36:19 am »

Yeah, just think "Normal book, but worse." That's how I always pictured it.
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« Reply #31873 on: June 19, 2019, 11:42:28 am »

Huh, I always thought light novels were like children's books (though obviously not confined to an age demographic). Mostly text like regular novels, but with the occasional illustration. Something like the Hardy boys or the Magic treehouse. Or if those don't ring a bell, then something like Captain Underpants.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #31874 on: June 19, 2019, 12:18:58 pm »

I'm riffing on Light Novels, but they're obviously OK, they're just targeted at a younger demographic and written mainly by amateur authors.
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