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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32325 on: March 04, 2020, 10:51:06 am »

*shrugs* Shonen is about as much of a genre as, say, YA/Young Adult is. Which is to say it's regularly called one but probably inaccurately :P

Though I'd probably say there actually is commonalities between dragon ball and death note, you'd just have to take some steps back to draw them.
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« Reply #32326 on: March 04, 2020, 10:58:41 am »

*shrugs* Shonen is about as much of a genre as, say, YA/Young Adult is. Which is to say it's regularly called one but probably inaccurately :P

Though I'd probably say there actually is commonalities between dragon ball and death note, you'd just have to take some steps back to draw them.

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« Reply #32327 on: March 04, 2020, 05:02:48 pm »

similar to Harry Potter's "magic is mercury poisoning" fansplanation
Wait, I don't think I know this theory.
I'm sure I could dig up the tumblr post or whatever, but basically: In the Harry Potter universe, magic use is like mercury exposure. You're fine initially, but when you keep doing it for decades on end, it takes a toll. This explains why every adult in the series is either severely eccentric or downright evil, why wizard society in general is so small, isolated, ineffectual, and bizarre, and why children are the only ones able to reliable solve most problems.

It really explains too much for me not to assume it's the case.


Like I said, I think your definition of genre is too narrow.

The thing they have in common is the age group they're targeting. There doesn't have to be anything else.
For what it's worth, I think you're definition is just out wrong. Genre has always been about the nature of content of the work, and what you're describing has always been called something else, along the lines of target audience or demographic.
*shrugs* Shonen is about as much of a genre as, say, YA/Young Adult is. Which is to say it's regularly called one but probably inaccurately :P
I think the problem is that there's concentric layers of possible shonen-ness. The tightest layers would be classic battle shonen: Naruto, DBZ, My Hero Academia, etc. It's easy to draw really clear parallels with each of them.

A little outside that, there's a ring of sorta shonen but not quite the same: Sword Art Online, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, maybe Attack on Titan. They've got a lot in common with core shonen, and a lot of the appeal is the same, but they've got noticeable differences as well- if Naruto and Bleach are siblings, Jojo is probably a cousin.

Finally, you've got the stuff that doesn't really have much in common with DBZ or Bleach other than intended audience: Death Note, Food Wars, I assume most sports anime. The similarities are kind of incidental, but still there when you start comparing them to works that aren't shonen at all by any stretch of the term. If One Piece and Jojo are cousins, One Piece and Death Note are probably a dog and a cat- not very similar relative to different breeds of either, but convenient for differentiating them from, say, a moose (Kiki's Delivery Service).

So:

"DBZ is shonen."
"Oh, when does the evil boss gloat about being super powerful, followed by the main character powering up off determination and defeating him with super lasers?"
"...every arc. Probably several times most arcs."

"Jojo is shonen."
"Oh, when does the evil boss gloat about being super powerful, followed by the main character powering up off determination and defeating him with super lasers?"
"...I'm sure that happens but I don't recall exactly when."

"Shokugeki no Soma is shonen."
"Oh, when does the evil boss gloat about being super powerful, followed by the main character powering up off determination and defeating him with super lasers?"
"...that's not a thing, unless lasers are code for the sheen preventing full visible nudity when everyone's clothes come off."

"DBZ, Jojo, and Shokugeki no Soma are all shonen."
"So they feature a young man with incredible powers fighting against impossible odds with his friends, and you normally discuss the show with young-ish men?"
"Well... one takes place in a kitchen and it's hard to tell on the internet, but yes."


Each tier has situations where it's useful, so each tier gets used sometimes. This can lead to obvious confusion when somebody tries to say "Death Note features some action and high stakes" and somebody else hears "In season 14 the protagonist cuts the moon in half with his eye lasers."
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32328 on: March 04, 2020, 05:20:29 pm »

You telling me that doesn't happen in Death Note? Man, that show's been overhyped to me... ;P
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« Reply #32329 on: March 04, 2020, 05:26:51 pm »

You telling me that doesn't happen in Death Note? Man, that show's been overhyped to me... ;P
Yeah, he only carves a quarter of the moon off. I know, big disappointment.
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« Reply #32330 on: March 04, 2020, 05:31:39 pm »

I'd say shokugeki no soma is a close cousin of battle shonen. Structurally. It's just a substitution of theme. Character 'types' are a big signal of core genre.

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« Reply #32331 on: March 04, 2020, 07:08:54 pm »

Death Note is definitely a shonen battle anime, though
It's a battle of the minds
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« Reply #32332 on: March 04, 2020, 08:53:33 pm »

What series has a writer who things lunar destruction is cool but waits (the source material equivalent of) thirteen seasons before doing it?
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« Reply #32333 on: March 04, 2020, 09:36:02 pm »

Sonic Adventure 2 came out after at least 12 other sonic games, and features the moon exploding. Checkmate, atheists.
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« Reply #32334 on: March 04, 2020, 09:41:24 pm »

What series has a writer who things lunar destruction is cool but waits (the source material equivalent of) thirteen seasons before doing it?
I have no idea what the season count was, but Naruto got to that point eventually after a distinct lack of blowing up so much as small mountains.
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« Reply #32335 on: March 19, 2020, 12:19:00 pm »

What series has a writer who things lunar destruction is cool but waits (the source material equivalent of) thirteen seasons before doing it?
Superman.
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« Reply #32336 on: March 19, 2020, 12:26:40 pm »

What series has a writer who things lunar destruction is cool but waits (the source material equivalent of) thirteen seasons before doing it?

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« Reply #32337 on: March 19, 2020, 12:31:54 pm »

What series has a writer who things lunar destruction is cool but waits (the source material equivalent of) thirteen seasons before doing it?
i don't know for sure, but does DBZ count?
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« Reply #32338 on: March 19, 2020, 01:10:45 pm »

What series has a writer who things lunar destruction is cool but waits (the source material equivalent of) thirteen seasons before doing it?
i don't know for sure, but does DBZ count?
Not even a little. They blew up the moon during Dragnoball, then again during basically the training montage between the first and second villains of DBZ. He made his interest in moon-blowing-up pretty clear from the start.
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« Reply #32339 on: April 05, 2020, 10:38:48 pm »

I made time to watch Cowboy Bebop for the first time, because I'm bored out of my mind and nothing else appeals to me right now.

After a few years of cheap-looking shows that try to fake it with 3D, it's so goddamn refreshing to see 2D animation that looks this good. I have nothing against the broader medium of 3DCG, but trying to emulate a 2D look in 3D graphics isn't very convincing yet---and, in my opinion, a fundamentally wrong-headed endeavor. I'm struggling to think of a comparison, but unless there's a game-changing technique in the works, the "fake 2D" look will always be inferior to actual 2D animation.
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