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[frostshotgg]

Cheibriados is the guy who's just asleep every class. Nemlex is a conman.

[tompliss]

Oh my god. That's why I love playing a Chei follower.

I was going to say "that's why I loved playing with Chei", but then I though about it ... :/

[DJ]

Zin, TSO and Elvylion are the Bible clique, ie the most boring kids in the school.

[Leafsnail]

Elvy's boring, but Zin and TSO have enough restrictions to be aggravating. They remind me of the 'straight-edge' types, who dress like hardasses and give you a 20-minute lecture for drinking caffeine or whatever.

20-minute lectures fit Zin, but I feel like TSO would probably just smash the cup out of your hands

[DJ]

Beogh is the <race> supremacist kid, ie he'd get cut out of the show by the producers.

[Niveras]

Chei is definitely a stoner; a class-sleeper is either a stoner or a partyer, and Chei is not one to stay up for an all-night weekday kegger.

Oka is the jock. He might get into the occasional fight but he'll get a drink with you afterward.

Trog is the kind of kid who is constantly getting into fights and "disrespects conventional authority." The only authority he recognizes is forces and if you disrespect him, or have something he wants, he and his trogbros will fuck you up.. He fights dirty insofar as he doesn't recognize the distinction between a "fair fight" or otherwise. He's the kind of kid that would be in a gang if he wasn't in some hick pure whitebread town in rural Canada.

Fedhas is the flower[GENDERNOTRECOGNIZED], the hippy. Not so much "love and peace, man" but lots of plants and some wiccan beliefs.

Ash is just forgotten. No one remembers this person, wasn't there for the yearbook photos so all that appears is a white "X" on a black background. Didn't sign any yearbooks, ever, no extracurricular mentions. Ends up hitchhiking and backpacking back and forth across the world forever; speaks the major language in every region of the world and has working knowledge of pretty much everything you can think of. (This isn't really the right flavor for Ash but I don't really know how you'd work in knowledgeable but cursed. I guess the alternative is a really intelligent kid but really clumsy; not the bookish type of Sif but sort of a prodigy at everything.)

[monk12]

I was kinda pegging Ash as the snitch; he knows everything that goes on and it gets him into trouble constantly. You keep meeting him when he's dangling from the flagpole by his underpants.

[sambojin]

I see Ash as the sort of kid with a run-down laptop that's full of abandonware and viruses, a ripped hand-me-down uniform, some natty shoes he replaces every few years and an out-of-date haircut that occaisionally starts sentences with "By the way...." and something incontravertably helpful comes out his mouth. Sort of the un-cool kid, yet just wonders around to any clique. So poor (but not giving a shit about it), that he's vaguely accepted by all, yet never in any circle. Sort of stinky, yet knowledgeable and helpful, and not really worth picking on. Suprisingly good at some stuff too. Brainy, but has no really nerdish attributes (unless being povo is that attribute).

[vogonpoet]

Congrats to all the tourney winners - nice work getting a top tep placement Champs.

Back in Trunk, I haz a GrWz. Link to full morgue here.

I was getting sick at being shit at GrEE, so decided to start a Wiz and try to maybe work my way towards Earth later. Veh was most obliging, gifting me sandblast early on, then LRD, then MagmaBolt. I have also picked up some skill in Axes, due to a couple of nice finds, and the fact that a bit of melee is always nice, but now I just found a staff of earth at the bottom of Lair and I am kinda like, oh. Guess now is time to stop training axes and think about evo and staves. I don't know, I also have a manual of Ice, a book of Frost, and books of Sky, Fire and Summoning to distract me.

Basically, in the hands of a skilled player, this GrWz could now go on to do basically whatever the hell it feels like (did I mention boots of running from a lair vault?), so I don't know what to do. Part of me wants to keep with the axes, just because I have a lovely axe, but I suspect the staff of earth would be a pretty clear winner in a 'what's the smart move here' competition.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-133-g953de00 (console) character file.

vogonpoet the Geomancer (Gargoyle Wizard)          Turns: 26261, Time: 03:08:28

HP  64/79        AC 28     Str 11      XL: 14   Next: 49%
MP  20/31        EV 12     Int 27      God: Vehumet [*****.]
Gold 1493        SH  0     Dex  9      Spells: 10 memorised,  3 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis .     c - +10,+4 battleaxe of Reapportionment {flame, rPois rF+}
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     i - +2 ring mail of Zohinwui {Dex+1 Stlth++}
rNeg   + . .     Conserve .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rCorr    .     z - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec  +         rRot     +     d - +2 cloak {MR+}
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Warding  .     v - +2 pair of boots {run}
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     y - amulet of rage
MR     +++..                    P - +3 ring of evasion
                                Z - ring of Pnedioma {+Rage rF+ rC++ MR+ Stlth-}

@: quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: able to fly continuously, large and strong wings, life protection 1,
electricity resistance, unbreathing, petrification resistance, AC +9
a: Fly, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage


You are on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer, Bailey and Ice Cave.

You have collected 1493 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 c - the +10,+4 battleaxe of Reapportionment (weapon) {flame, rPois rF+}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to
   double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades
   are also staple armaments of hydra-hunters.
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
 h - a +0 blowgun
 w - a +3,+4 war axe of venom
 S - a runed dagger
Missiles
 r - 44 stones (quivered)
Armour
 d - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 i - the +2 ring mail of Zohinwui (worn) {Dex+1 Stlth++}
   (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 v - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
 z - a +2 helmet of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
 b - a wand of draining {zapped: 3}
 t - a curved bronze wand
 J - a wand of confusion (13)
 N - a wand of fire {zapped: 4}
 V - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 1}
Comestibles
 p - 3 meat rations
 s - 3 rotting chunks of grizzly bear flesh
 u - 10 grapes
 Q - 3 apples
Scrolls
 e - a scroll of fear
 m - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 x - a scroll of magic mapping
 D - a scroll of vulnerability
 E - a scroll of blinking
 F - a scroll of fog
 H - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 M - a scroll of identify
 O - a scroll of immolation
Jewellery
 g - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 q - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 y - an amulet of rage (around neck)
 P - a +3 ring of evasion (right hand)
 Z - the ring of Pnedioma (left hand) {+Rage rF+ rC++ MR+ Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you go berserk.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
Potions
 f - a potion of brilliance
 j - 2 potions of agility
 k - 2 potions of might
 l - 4 potions of curing
 o - 2 potions of heal wounds
 B - a potion of haste
 G - a potion of resistance
 I - 2 potions of flight
 K - a potion of invisibility
 L - a potion of restore abilities
 T - 3 potions of magic
Books
 A - a book of Geomancy   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Sandblast                         Earth                        1
   *Stoneskin                         Transmutation/Earth          2
   Passwall                           Transmutation/Earth          3
   Stone Arrow                        Conjuration/Earth            3
   Petrify                            Transmutation/Earth          4
   *Lee's Rapid Deconstruction        Earth                        5
Magical staves
 a - an uncursed staff of earth
Miscellaneous
 Y - a phial of floods
Rods
 U - a +4 rod of shadows (9/9)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)


   Skills:
 - Level 5.9 Fighting
 - Level 10.5 Axes
 + Level 7.0 Armour
 - Level 1.5 Dodging
 - Level 2.1 Stealth
 - Level 9.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 8.9 Conjurations
 - Level 6.7 Summonings
 - Level 3.0 Translocations
 - Level 6.6 Fire Magic
 - Level 3.1 Air Magic
 - Level 14.0 Earth Magic
 - Level 1.0 Poison Magic


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           ####         1%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          3%          2    None
c - Call Imp              Summ           #####...     1%          2    None
d - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  #####...     1%          3    None
e - Sandblast             Erth           ######       1%          1    None
f - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ######..     1%          3    None
g - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ######....   1%          5    ###....
h - Bolt of Magma         Conj/Fire/Erth ######....   1%          5    ###....
s - Summon Elemental      Summ           #####.....   6%          4    #......
t - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      ######....   1%          2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/15)             Temple (0/1) D:5            Lair (8/8) D:9
  Swamp (0/5) Lair:5        Snake (0/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:7
   Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Dithmenos
Makhleb
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
The Shining One
Jiyva

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8

Annotations:
D:2 1 exclusion


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
You are immune to poison.
You are immune to rotting.
You can fly continuously.
Your stone body is very resilient (AC +9).
Your wings are large and strong.
You resist negative energy.
You are resistant to electric shocks.
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.


Message History

Vehumet accepts your kill.
You feel your power returning.
You see here a trident.
Found 441 gold pieces. Found a gateway to Hell.
There is a burning altar of Makhleb here.
You now have 1493 gold pieces (gained 441).
There is a gateway to Hell here.
You see here a twisted runed staff.
a - a twisted runed staff
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
The +10,+4 battleaxe of Reapportionment {flame, rPois rF+} stops flaming.
a - an uncursed staff of earth (weapon)
You swap places.
You see here a trident.
You are now empty-handed.
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
It bursts into flame!
c - the +10,+4 battleaxe of Reapportionment (weapon) {flame, rPois rF+}
Char dumped successfully.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!


Grand Total: 794 creatures vanquished

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |    63 |   156 |   207 |       |       ||   426
       Staff             |       |     3 |    19 |       |       ||    22
       Halberd           |       |       |    76 |       |       ||    76
       War axe           |       |       |   134 |   242 |   294 ||   670
       Battleaxe         |       |       |       |   281 |   340 ||   621
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |     6 |       |       ||     6
Throw: Dart              |       |       |     1 |     1 |       ||     2
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    63 |    84 |   151 |    68 |    26 ||   392
       Call Imp          |     7 |    23 |    29 |    47 |     6 ||   112
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |       |    44 |    74 |    40 ||   158
       Blink             |       |       |     3 |    13 |       ||    16
       Sandblast         |       |       |    25 |    15 |     1 ||    41
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |       |    16 |     3 ||    19
       Conjure Flame     |       |       |       |     5 |     2 ||     7
       Summon Elemental  |       |       |       |     8 |    28 ||    36
       Bolt of Magma     |       |       |       |       |    37 ||    37
       Stoneskin         |       |       |       |       |     9 ||     9
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |     9 |       ||    11
       Rod               |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |     2 |       |    15 |    13 |    11 ||    41
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |     2 |       ||     3
 Stab: Distracted        |     1 |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     4
       Sleeping          |       |     1 |     3 |     2 |     3 ||     9
       Confused          |       |       |     7 |    22 |    20 ||    49
       Fleeing           |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1

Also, summoned earth elementals are awesome.

[tompliss]

Don't train Evo for a staff of earth.
Earth is the worse of all elemental staff as far as his "brand" go for hitting. It's like it does a secondary attack, except it hits against AC separately, and does less damage than the normal staff. Wield it for the earth booster, but don't count on it to make damage otherwise

[vogonpoet]

HUh, its true AC is checked by SoEarth, but I remember it being pretty awesome in melee from previous EE I have played - but then those guys would have had a lot more Earth skill than I do at the moment maybe.

[Mr Space Cat]

If you're relying more on spells for dangerous combat than melee, and specifically earth spells, the staff is probably the better pick for wielding, and you can wear a buckler to boost your defenses for only 5 shield skill levels. Wouldn't be able to quickly take out your axe if you got a shield on though. You'd have to remove the shield to swap to the axe.

Battleaxe doesn't look all that great to me, it's an artifact (right?) with less than great damage enchants and not amazing resistances. From what I remember of gargoyles that rPois is useless for you. You could enchant your own axe and come out with -1 acc for trade off of +5 damage, if you got a battleaxe of flaming and enough scrolls, that is.

From what I heard an earth staff is a useful tool for killing weak popcorn mobs later on without wasting mp or nutrition, or making tons of noise. I've heard it could be better than that, but don't expect to go pure melee with it and live long or something. I never got an EE to live long enough to get a staff of earth, so I have no experience with it, personally. Would totally use it to bash mobs to death though if I got it, it sounds like too much fun.

[tompliss]

Keep the artifact axe for swamp : there are hydras there.
And you don't even need 5 shield for buckler if you focus on magic : the skill needed in much less to negate the spellcasting penalties.

[monk12]

Here's a question, do Reflect Missiles and Deflect Missiles stack now that they only dispel on a per-hit basis?

[Dr Feelgood]

I was getting sick at being shit at GrEE, so decided to start a Wiz and try to maybe work my way towards Earth later. Veh was most obliging, gifting me sandblast early on, then LRD, then MagmaBolt. I have also picked up some skill in Axes, due to a couple of nice finds, and the fact that a bit of melee is always nice, but now I just found a staff of earth at the bottom of Lair and I am kinda like, oh. Guess now is time to stop training axes and think about evo and staves.

The main purpose of elemental staves is boosting your spell damage. A staff of earth is not a bad weapon, but unlike the other elemental staves it basically checks against AC twice (the staff and 'brand') and it's resisted by most enemies. It used to be incredibly OP without the AC check. It still deals a lot of damage, but it requires spending a ton of exp to get the most out of it.

Here's a question, do Reflect Missiles and Deflect Missiles stack now that they only dispel on a per-hit basis?

No.