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[heydude6]

I levelled evocations so I could use the crystal ball of energy reliably.

[Antioch]

I levelled evocations so I could use the crystal ball of energy reliably.

Crystall ball is extremely powerful at lvl 27 evocations and is easily complemented with a staff of channeling.

It's how I won my 15 rune demigod.

[FakerFangirl]

Halfling ice ele is hard! http://imgur.com/a/H1aPY
#Nemelex' Choice

[Ozarck]

success!

Spoiler: a few notes (click to show/hide)

1) this is my first win with a demonspawn, and my fourth win overall. It is my third highest scoring game.

2) I chose not to do extended because I have been having trouble keeping good demonspawn alive. I had two really good candidates in the last few games and got them both squashed (one in Elf 3, the other by being dumped into the abyss and getting scores of malmutations.)

3) I got what I consider to be the jackpot of demonspawn mutations for a fighter: bony plates, powered by death, and augmentation. The other two had their advantages and disadvantages, though spiny would have been nicer than nightstalker, I think.

4) I did not really feel that I got that lucky on items. I started with a long sword, and it was not until lair:8 that I got my end game weapon - a demon trident of pain. before this, I relied on my starting sword and a mace of draining (for hydras). Getting the trident meant i had to train a second weapon skill, and a magic skill - both of which I was reluctant to do on a race that has low aptitude for xp.

5) I did get incredibly lucky in that i got TWO potions of experience in the early dungeon. Like, I don't even remember when I identified them, but it was either before or shortly after temple. I used them to boost fighting, long blades, armor, and shields, which are my standard skills for fighter (i usually leave all four to train together through early dungeon.) And although I did eventually get gifted a plain crystal plate, which I never used, I felt that my armour options were rather inadequate overall. But, evetually, a combination of acquirement and god gifts fleshed me out pretty well.

6)I am still unable to win with a conjurer, a stealthy stabber, or an elementalist. I think my next focus might be on Beogh and Lughuno. I don't know.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0 (tiles) character file.

1718047 472 the Impregnable (level 27, 224/224 HPs)
             Began as a Demonspawn Fighter on June 7, 2017.
             Was the Champion of Okawaru.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes on June 9, 2017!
             
             The game lasted 07:48:14 (69504 turns).

472 the Impregnable (Demonspawn Fighter)           Turns: 69504, Time: 07:48:14

Health: 224/224    AC: 37    Str: 24    XL:     27
Magic:  37/37      EV: 29    Int: 15    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold:   4936       SH: 22    Dex: 25    Spells: 3 memorised, 36 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis +     N - +12 demon trident {pain, rF+ Dex+3}
rCold  + . .     Clarity  +     v - +2 plate armour {rN+}
rNeg   + . .     SustAt   .     O - +2 shield {reflect}
rPois  +         Gourm    .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  +         Spirit   .     y - +2 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     n - +0 pair of gloves of Nyinly {rC+ Regen+ Int+2 Dex-3}
rMut   .         Stasis   .     K - +0 pair of boots of the Swan {Regen+ Int+2 Dex+2 Stlth-}
MR     +++++                    S - amulet of Jibruom {Clar *Contam rPois Str+2 Dex+4}
Stlth  ..........               R - ring of the Commoners {MR++ EV+6 Str+2}
                                G - ring of Jaobe {rElec rF+++ AC+3 Stlth-}

@: almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: antennae 3, large bone plates 3, clumsy 1, nightstalker 3, powered by death
3, augmentation 3
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, silver


You escaped.
You worshipped Okawaru.
Okawaru was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 54 of its levels.

You collected 9796 gold pieces.
You spent 4860 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 B - a +7 demon trident of freezing
 E - a +9 demon blade of flaming
 N - the +12 demon trident of Luadayhial (weapon) {pain, rF+ Dex+3}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   In the hands of one skilled in necromantic magic, it inflicts extra damage
   on living creatures.
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
 Q - the +8 scimitar of Insufficient Pleasure {freeze, Str+3}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
Armour
 n - the +0 pair of gloves of Nyinly (worn) {rC+ Regen+ Int+2 Dex-3}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (-3).
   It protects you from cold.
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 v - a +2 plate armour of positive energy (worn)
 y - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 K - the +0 pair of boots of the Swan (worn) {Regen+ Int+2 Dex+2 Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 L - the +4 plate armour of Gravity {rElec rPois rF- rC+ rCorr}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Realm of Zot)   
   
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 O - a +2 shield of reflection (worn)
Jewellery
 s - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 z - a +3 ring of evasion
 G - the ring of Jaobe (left hand) {rElec rF+++ AC+3 Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   
   It affects your AC (+3).
   It renders you almost immune to fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 R - the ring of the Commoners (right hand) {MR++ EV+6 Str+2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+6).
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 S - the amulet of Jibruom (around neck) {Clar *Contam rPois Str+2 Dex+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of clarity]
   
   It provides mental clarity.
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It protects you from poison.
   It causes magical contamination when unequipped.
 U - an uncursed amulet of clarity
Wands
 g - a wand of heal wounds (4)
 k - a wand of cold (5)
 l - a wand of paralysis (7)
 p - a wand of teleportation (3)
 q - a wand of draining (7)
 w - a wand of cold (12)
 C - a wand of lightning (5)
 M - a wand of digging (8)
 P - a wand of lightning (7)
 T - a wand of fire (2)
 Z - a wand of draining (7)
Scrolls
 a - 6 scrolls of fear
 b - 27 scrolls of remove curse
 f - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 j - 15 scrolls of teleportation
 m - a scroll of summoning
 o - 10 scrolls of blinking
 u - 7 scrolls of recharging
 H - 10 scrolls of fog
 W - 23 scrolls of identify
Potions
 c - 3 potions of magic
 d - 3 potions of might
 h - 15 potions of curing
 i - a potion of agility
 A - 3 potions of resistance
 D - a potion of heal wounds
 F - 2 potions of cure mutation
 I - 3 potions of haste
 V - 5 potions of cancellation
 Y - 3 potions of mutation
Miscellaneous
 r - a phial of floods
 t - a fan of gales
 x - a stone of tremors
 J - a disc of storms
Comestibles
 e - 33 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 20.0 Fighting
 - Level 14.0 Long Blades
 - Level 14.0 Polearms
 + Level 23.1 Armour
 + Level 17.6 Dodging
 - Level 15.7 Shields
 - Level 10.5 Spellcasting
 - Level 12.5 Charms
 - Level 10.8 Necromancy
 - Level 10.4 Air Magic
 - Level 9.3 Invocations
 - Level 10.9 Evocations


You had 36 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   1%          3    None
b - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       #######...   63%         6    ######.
c - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       1%          2    None

[FakerFangirl]

Fell down three layers and got banished. #Shafted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFbjEEtY3bo&t=27m45s

[TheDarkStar]

I saw Mara in Spider so I teleported away. Before I got the chance to do anything else, I got hit by a stone arrow (from my ghost), an orb of destruction (from an orb spider), a bolt of fire (from Mara), an iron shot (from my ghost), and a +4 demon trident (from Mara). I died to the 150+ damage.

[Kagus]

Protip: Only ever play as vampires, ghouls or mummies... That way, you never leave any terrifying ghosts behind to kill promising runs later on!

I should definitely write the Prima strategy guide for this.

[Ozarck]

I delete my bones files all the time. I hate player ghosts. Especially when i play draconians.

[TheDarkStar]

Mara is a unique that creates a player ghost/summon that behaves just like a ghost. Hence why I didn't run when I saw just Mara or just my ghost - they showed up at the same time (well, with a one-turn delay for Mara to cast the spell).

[Dwachs]

I need some advice, how to proceed further. Currently playing as spriggan enchanter. Cleared Lair, Orc, Spider. This is my first non-fighter character that caught a rune...

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.0-15-g7f486f2 (webtiles) character file.

Dwachs the Unseen (Spriggan Enchanter)             Turns: 45468, Time: 04:31:04

Health: 90/90      AC: 15    Str:  8    XL:     18   Next: 35%
Magic:  46/46      EV: 34    Int: 24    God:    Dithmenos [******]
Gold:   3114       SH: 11    Dex: 22    Spells: 19/43 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis +   e - +6 dagger (venom)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   H - +2 buckler {rF+}
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   D - +5 steam dragon scales
rPois    .         Spirit   .   S - +3 hat of Pondering {ponderous, MR+ MP+10 Int+5}
rElec    +         Reflect  .   O - +1 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   (gloves unavailable)
MR       ++++.                  (boots unavailable)
Stlth    ++++++++++             I - amulet of magic regeneration
Regen    0.3/turn               J - ring of Ifumacei {Wiz rElec Str+4}
MPRegen  0.5/turn               i - ring of positive energy

@: wreathed by umbra, very quick
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 2
}: 1/15 runes: gossamer
a: Shadow Step, Shadow Form, Renounce Religion


You are on level 2 of the Depths.
You worship Dithmenos.
Dithmenos is exalted by your worship.
You are full.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 30 of its levels.

You have collected 3275 gold pieces.
You have spent 161 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 b - the +8 lance "Wyrmbane" {slay drac, rPois rF+ rC+ AC+3}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your AC (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
 e - a +6 dagger of venom (weapon)
 l - a +4 dagger of freezing
 A - a +0 dagger of holy wrath
Missiles
 F - 3 throwing nets (quivered)
 Z - 378 arrows
Armour
 D - +5 steam dragon scales (worn)
 H - a +2 buckler of fire resistance (worn)
 O - a +1 cloak (worn)
 S - the +3 hat of Pondering (worn) {ponderous, MR+ MP+10 Int+5}
   (You took it off Gastronok on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It affects your magic capacity (+10).
Jewellery
 i - a ring of positive energy (right hand)
 I - an amulet of magic regeneration (around neck)
 J - the ring of Ifumacei (left hand) {Wiz rElec Str+4}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   
   It improves your spell success rate.
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It insulates you from electricity.
 Q - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
Wands
 j - a wand of paralysis (?/24)
 z - a wand of digging (?/24) {zapped: 2}
 B - a wand of iceblast (15/15)
 V - a wand of polymorph (?/24)
Scrolls
 k - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 p - 9 scrolls of blinking
 q - 8 scrolls of fog
 r - 6 scrolls of magic mapping
 t - 4 scrolls of fear
 u - a scroll of identify
 v - 9 scrolls of teleportation
 y - 9 scrolls of amnesia
 K - a scroll of summoning
 L - a scroll of silence
 R - 2 scrolls of torment
 T - 6 scrolls of recharging
Potions
 a - 13 potions of curing
 f - a potion of might
 m - 2 potions of invisibility
 n - a potion of magic
 s - 7 potions of ambrosia
 w - 5 potions of brilliance
 x - 4 potions of flight
 E - 7 potions of heal wounds
 N - 3 potions of resistance
 P - a potion of mutation
 U - 3 potions of agility
 Y - 2 potions of haste
Books
 M - a book of Changes   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Beastly Appendage            Transmutation                 1
    b - Sticks to Snakes             Transmutation                 2
    c - Spider Form                  Transmutation/Poison          3
    d - Ice Form                     Ice/Transmutation             4
    e - Blade Hands                  Transmutation                 5
 W - a book of Death   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Corpse Rot                   Necromancy                    2
    b - Sublimation of Blood         Necromancy                    2
    c - Agony                        Necromancy                    5
    d - Dispel Undead                Necromancy                    5
    e - Excruciating Wounds          Charms/Necromancy             5
    f - Bolt of Draining             Conjuration/Necromancy        5
Miscellaneous
 c - a lightning rod (4/4)
 C - a phantom mirror
Comestibles
 d - 8 bread rations
 h - 21 fruits
 o - 25 royal jellies


   Skills:
 - Level 8.0 Fighting
 - Level 11.8 Short Blades
 - Level 16.0 Dodging
 - Level 17.7 Stealth
 - Level 7.2 Shields
 - Level 13.1 Spellcasting
 - Level 5.2 Conjurations
 - Level 17.3 Hexes
 + Level 7.9 Necromancy
 - Level 9.0 Transmutations
 - Level 5.0 Ice Magic
 - Level 6.0 Air Magic
 - Level 6.4 Poison Magic


You have 19 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Corona                Hex            #######      0%          1    None
b - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Hex/Ice        ######       1%          2    None
c - Confuse               Hex            #######.     0%          3    None
d - Tukima's Dance        Hex            #######.     0%          3    None
e - Slow                  Hex            #######.     0%          2    None
f - Dazzling Spray        Conj/Hex       ######       1%          3    None
g - Sticks to Snakes      Tmut           ######..     1%          2    None
h - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  #####...     1%          3    None
i - Dispel Undead         Necr           ######..     1%          5    ###....

I do not have particular good equipment. As you can imagine, I have a hard time to fight monsters that are hex immune. Besides stabbing, my only offensive spell is Dazzling spray. I recently started to train necromancy to be able to cast Dispel Undead and Draining Bolt. What would you recommend to branch into? I could buy books with dragon/hydra form, however I have no experience with transmuters. I could also learn Discord. Would this be worth the investment? What about evocations? I completely ignored it...

[Arcvasti]

I've usually found Discord to be a bit underwhelming, considering how much of a pain it is to get, but its still quite good against large packs of monsters, especially living ones. Since you've trained Hexes so obscenely high, it might not be a bad idea to get. How much of a failure chance would you have if you learned it immediately? Generally, Invisibility is a good thing for stabbers to use on things that resist hexes, but you don't seem to have the spellbook on you. Maybe check if there's something with evokable invisibility lying around the dungeon? Another thing to check the dungeon for is a short blade with the pain brand: If you're branching out into necromancy, pain is a very good brand that can kill most living creatures quite easily when attached to a quick weapon. Definitely no to branching out into Transmutations, since that requires very high levels of Unarmed to be successful. Polearms would be a better choice, seeing as you have Wyrmbane and that Depths/Zot are both saturated with dragons. As for Evocations... you only have one good Evocations item[Lightning Rod], so I'd probably delay training that until you have a way to reliably kill monsters. Also, have you cleared Vaults 1-4 yet? If not, then its much much safer there then in Shoals/Depths.


To summarize:

1: Look for evokable invisiblity and a pain branded short blade.
2: Check your failure rate for Discord and learn it if its at 20% or below.
3: Clear Vaults 1-4 and Swamp[If it generated] before even thinking about Depths.
4: If you haven't found a pain short blade, consider maybe using Wyrmbane for non sneak attacking purposes, since its good and Spriggans can wield it.

[FakerFangirl]

I'd raise shields and fighting a few levels for some surviveability. Invisibility, Darkness, Ozocubu's Armour and Swiftness can help you with stair-dancing. Evocations sucks. You have enough necromancy to learn some necromancy spells but I've never raised it that high so I don't know what's available. Regeneration's not terrible. Never used it, but you will probably need Discord for silver rune. Irradiate does good area damage. If you go dragon's form then you'll need to learn unarmed combat.  And your aptitudes are -2. I'd stick with short blades, or switch to spellcaster. I find stabbers have a difficult lategame. Go clear Vaults:1 to 3 for some experience and raise your surviveability. Don't enter Vaults:5 until you have Discord and a haste potion and blink scroll. Sentinel's Mark + locked staircase will wreck you. If you're planning on a 15-rune you might just want to go full polearms. And for God's sake, clear some layers of the Elven Halls and Vaults.

[Dwachs]

Thanks for the advice. In the meantime I went to Vaults and cleared 1-2.

@FakerFangirl: Unfortunately, I do not have access to the spells you mention.

@Arcvasti: there is only a dagger of pain somewhere. Would it make a difference to the +7 dagger of venom?

Also the only source of Invisibility is some artefact quarterstaff. Discord would have a failure rate of 7%

[Not good with names]

Another thought is that shoals shouldn't be too difficult with that character if you're careful.  You're probably going to have to stair dance a bit, but confuse with some meph cloud for the high MR enemies will take care of everything except for water elementals.  If you can find Mana Vipers spell then it'll make the whole thing trivial, otherwise you just have to be careful about getting engulfed by nymphs/elementals.

[Arcvasti]

I'd learn Discord and grab the pain dagger to start enchanting it up later. Ignore the invis quarterstaff, it wouldn't help much. I don't know at what Necromancy breakpoint it'll be better then +7 venom, but it'll definitely reach that point eventually. Also, note that multiplicative brand damage is further multiplied by stab damage, which means that Freezing/Flaming/Holy Wrath daggers are very good stabbing brands. Then I'd probably train Hexes to 18-19, get Necromancy and then Evocations to 12-15ish and then probably go primarily for Fighting/Dodging[Your Fighting is very very low and might even take priority over the other skills I mentioned, actually]. Good Evocations items to look for include the following: Wands of Acid, Iceblast and maybe Scattershot, Box of Beasts, Phantom Mirror, Sack of Spiders or any of the misc elemental evokers. Good spells include Deflect Missiles[Eventually, since it requires some investment], Animate Dead/Skeleton[Get ASAP so you have minions to hide behind], Blink, Summon Butterflies and of course Darkness/Invisibility/Mana Vipers.