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[Nikinyo]

Yeah, but it often recurses itself upon wielding, so it can be a problem to keep it unwielded. But anyway, for now there is a plenty of food for kobold, and when there will be no more branches with creatures to feed on(near midgame), vampiric draining will become a lot less useful anyway, so I will just drop that sword in my stash (I hope to find some more appropriate weapon).
If I won't die some stupid death by that time, that is.

[dei]

I recently started playing this game, after owning a copy of it for quite a while.

I'd have to say this is one of the best roguelikes ever, in my personal top five. I love playing as conjurers and venom mages in this game, as both kick ass!

[Misterstone]

Well, I never tried to play as a summoner, but I think it is the same with any magic school. In every game, I try to get at least a few levels of Enchantments skill and learn a Selective Amnesia (it lets you forget spells) spell asap. It is very useful if you want to experiment with new spells and it doesn't spend any spell levels.

If only I could get that amnesia spell... I really wish I had it.  I'd forget Summon Imp at the very least, maybe mammals as well.  Later I'd get rid of summon scorps, although they do a great job against anything that is not poison immune (one cast makes 2-3 scorpions, so two casts and you can destroy a giant or cyclops, three casts or more can even take down a dragon if it is in the open).  I also have summon shadow creatures which is great is some branches (especially the elven halls) but not so great in others.

And for those who know: just how effective is demonic horde, anyway?  If I already have a good spell for mobbing my enemies (scorpions) is it still worth learning, or should I try summon demon?

P.S. Anyway, Enchantments skill is quite useful to any character, because it raises magic resistance.

Did not know that; that 's pretty useful to know.  The devs at sourceforge seem to be considering splitting up enchantments into more than one school because it is a bit powerful right now, but in the meantime it is a very useful skill to have.  My only victory consisted of a kobold who almost completely specialized in enchantments.

[beorn080]

Summon mammals is very useful as a flood spell. At a certain point you start summoning multiple mammals, and that can be useful if you need to make some meat shields. Summon imp can be useful to summon shadow imps if you have a pile of corpses in the area. Mass raise dead is useful in a level 3 spell.

[Virroken]

Demonic Horde summons 6+ multi-flavored imps at a time. Imagine an insanely high powered version of summon mammals. Not every imp will be friendly, but they are weak enough and you will have enough friendlies around that the occasional hostile imp won't matter.

[Misterstone]

Hmm, well that's not bad, but summon scorpions also makes about three hard-hitting critters per cast (which also poison, which is still nice at this stage), so maybe I'll just focus on the bigger demon.  If a caster has immunity to poison, the scortion spell is pretty win for level 4, although you do need to learn some poison magic to use it well.  Also, I have shadow creatures which is very nice in some branches but not so useful in others (for instance, it creates a huge mob of elven casters in the elven halls, but in the Lair is often creates rats and fungi....)

(edit)  Turns out Summon Demon is probably makes demonic horde kind of obsolete, since those "3" and "4" demons can summon a lot of "5" demons as well as raise dead, smite, and otherwise kick lots of ass.

[Morsigil]

So, I'm running this human crusader around and I decided to make use of entirely dex based skills, such as short and long blade, darts, dodging, etc. Something is striking me as odd, though. It says that blowguns and poisoned needles are based on the dart skill, but ever since I started using this blowgun my throwing has been raising along with my darts.

I did throw the darts for a long time (not the needles), but my throwing wasn't going up until I started using the blowgun. Weird? Am I missing something?

God daggers suck.

[AlStar]

Edit - I misread your post - you know that blowguns don't fire darts... my next guess would be you just didn't have enough EXP initially for throwing to go up - it's normally a fairly slow skill. I'm fairly certain that using needles in a blowgun shouldn't raise throwing.

My guess would be that you're throwing darts while holding a blowgun.

Blowguns fire needles. (uses dart skill)

Hand crossbows fire darts. (uses x-bow skill, I think) - very rare weapon except in the elven halls.


Just for completionist sake...

bows fire arrows (uses bow skill)
crossbows fire bolts (uses x-bow skill)
slings fire stones or sling bullets (uses throwing and sling skills)

[Morsigil]

Edit - I misread your post - you know that blowguns don't fire darts... my next guess would be you just didn't have enough EXP initially for throwing to go up - it's normally a fairly slow skill. I'm fairly certain that using needles in a blowgun shouldn't raise throwing.

My guess would be that you're throwing darts while holding a blowgun.

Blowguns fire needles. (uses dart skill)

Hand crossbows fire darts. (uses x-bow skill, I think) - very rare weapon except in the elven halls.


Just for completionist sake...

bows fire arrows (uses bow skill)
crossbows fire bolts (uses x-bow skill)
slings fire stones or sling bullets (uses throwing and sling skills)

Hand Crossbows use the darts skill. At least, that's what it says.

As I said, I was throwing darts for a long time and only darts was raising, not throwing. Then, I started using my blowgun and, trust me I know the difference between shooting needles and throwing darts, and all of a sudden both my darts and throwing were raising.

Is it possible that darts and blowguns also using throwing skill? It's the only thing I can think of.

Let me reiterate that I was throwing darts from the start of the character, so my darts were at level 6 when, suddenly (about the same time I started using my blowgun almost exclusively over throwing darts) my throwing skill goes to 1, then 2 in no time.

Also, I am aware blowguns don't shoot darts. I figured that out on an earlier character because I thought it would make sense to use darts in the blowgun, only to realize that it wasn't working the way I thought it should. Eventually I read that they're used in hand crossbows... Possibly in this thread, or in the game manual itself.

[deadlycairn]

Was it normal for my Dwarf Chaos Knight of Lugonu to be spawned in the Abyss. I mean, I know he's the God of the Abyss and all that, but that's kind of a harsh starting place (died to some demon-or-other). I only picked him because Xom was pissing me off.

[Misterstone]

I am pretty sure that the blowgun does use darts skill.  In older versions it did; also, I believe that "throwing" was a skill that all ranged weapons (incl launchers such as bows) exercised along with their weapon skill.  I think this has changed?  Maybe they remembered to change it for bows, xbows and slings, but forgot to change it for the blowgun?

[Misterstone]

Was it normal for my Dwarf Chaos Knight of Lugonu to be spawned in the Abyss. I mean, I know he's the God of the Abyss and all that, but that's kind of a harsh starting place (died to some demon-or-other). I only picked him because Xom was pissing me off.

Yes, Lugona CKs always start off in the abyss.  THere should be a gate nearby, and you can evoke a god given ability to leave the abyss at any time (unless you goof around and lose piety?).

[Morsigil]

I use it as an opportunity to grab a bunch of shit and then get out... But I usually don't find anything I wouldn't find on the first level of the dungeon.

[inaluct]

Oh man, this character looks promising. I just got a randart scythe called "The Scythe of Gehenna."

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.4.5 (crawl-ref) character file.

Jh the Poker (Red Draconian Chaos Knight)           Turns: 5072, Time: 00:19:32

HP  54/69        AC  7     Str 17      Exp: 9/2915 (659), need: 2558
MP  11/11        EV 13     Int 12      God: Xom
Gold 55          SH  0     Dex 16      Spells:  4 memorised,  4 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : .   C - scythe of Gehenna
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   x - +2 animal skin of the Ecumenical Temple
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (shield restricted)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   (helmet restricted)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   (no cloak)
                                     (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Res.Slow  : .       Levitation : .   c - ring of invisibility
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: +   h - ring of fire

@: very resistant to magic, fairly stealthy
A: breathe fire, unfitting armour, -10% hp, Dex +1
a: Breathe Fire, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Teleportation


You are on level 8 of the Dungeon.
You worship Xom.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +3,+5 spear (quivered)
 e - an uncursed short sword
 f - an uncursed orcish falchion
 g - an uncursed spear
 m - an uncursed halberd
 p - an uncursed spear
 r - an uncursed bow
 t - an uncursed runed orcish falchion
 v - an uncursed runed elven scimitar
 C - the scythe of Gehenna (weapon)
   (You acquired it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from cold.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It lets you teleport.
 H - a runed halberd of freezing
Missiles
 s - 14 arrows of ice
Armour
 b - a +2 robe
 u - an uncursed robe
 x - the +2 animal skin of the Ecumenical Temple (worn)
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   It affects your strength (+2).
 A - an uncursed robe
Magical devices
 G - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 4}
Comestibles
 I - a chunk of orc flesh
Scrolls
 d - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 i - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 l - a scroll of detect curse
 q - a scroll of paper
 B - a scroll of blinking
Jewellery
 c - a ring of invisibility (right hand)
 h - a ring of fire (left hand)
 z - an uncursed scratched golden ring
 J - a twisted wooden ring
Potions
 o - 3 potions of healing
 y - 10 potions of confusion
 D - a potion of heal wounds
 E - 6 potions of water
 F - a potion of slowing
Books
 j - a book of Charms
 k - a book of Practical Magic
 n - a book of Changes
Magical staves
 w - a thin jewelled staff


 You have 659 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 6 Fighting
 + Level 7 Polearms
 + Level 5 Dodging
 + Level 1 Stealth
 + Level 1 Spellcasting
 + Level 1 Necromancy


You have 4 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Corona                Ench           #.........     Poor        1
b - Repel Missiles        Air/Ench       #.........     Very Poor   2
c - Fulsome Distillation  Tmgr/Necr      #.....         Fair        1
d - Evaporate             Fire/Tmgr      #.........     Very Poor   2


Overview of the Dungeon

Branches: (use G to reach them)
Temple: D:6       Orc   : D:8       

Shops: (use Ctrl-F "shop" to reach them)
D:7: *


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can breathe fire.
Your body does not fit into most forms of armour.
You are agile (Dex +1).
You are frail (-10 percent hp).


Message History

This is a scroll of acquirement!
[a] Weapon  [b] Armour  [c] Jewellery      [d] Book
[e] Staff   [f] Food    [g] Miscellaneous  [h] Gold
Something appears at your feet!
C - a pitted scythe
You feel agile.
C - the scythe of Gehenna (weapon)

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......)........##....#         #
....###........##...############
................................
......................##########
.)...>................#        #
...................(..#        #
.........)............#        #
..............3@......#        #
..............##[[....#        #
..............##......#        #
.........##..........##
.........##..........#         #
.....................#         #
.....................###########
........................<......#
 #..........######......p..###.#


You can see a friendly tormentor.

Vanquished Creatures
  The ghost of Gorg the Chopper, an experienced OgBe (D:8)
  3 ogres
  A phantom (D:7)
  A warg (D:7)
  A giant frog (D:8)
  3 killer bees (D:8)
  2 imps
  5 hounds
  2 orc priests (D:8)
  A giant iguana (D:8)
  Ijyb (D:4)
  4 gnolls (D:3)
  2 snakes
  A worm (D:6)
  An ooze (D:3)
  4 giant bats
  2 giant cockroaches
  8 hobgoblins
  8 orcs
  2 giant geckos
  A giant newt (D:3)
  8 goblins
  3 jackals
  12 kobolds
  4 rats
  A rat zombie (D:7)
  A small snake (D:2)
83 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Edmund (D:8)
  An ogre (D:8)
  An ice beast (D:7)
  2 centaurs
  The ghost of Vax IV the Skirmisher, an average DrCK (D:7)
  A warg (D:8)
  An orc warrior (D:6)
  2 giant frogs
  2 killer bees (D:8)
  An imp (D:8)
  2 orc priests (D:8)
  A giant beetle (D:7)
  A giant ant (D:7)
  2 wights (D:7)
  2 jellies
  4 butterflies (D:6)
  3 giant cockroaches
  A giant gecko (D:8)
  A goblin (D:5)
  2 hobgoblins
  8 orcs
  2 giant bats
  A quokka (D:6)
  A small snake (D:5)
44 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A hobgoblin (D:4)
1 creature vanquished.

Grand Total: 128 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Jh, the Draconian Chaos Knight, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 1/1
   225 | D:2     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/21 MP: 2/2
   440 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 28/30 MP: 3/3
   699 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 35/38 MP: 4/4
   748 | D:3     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 19/45 MP: 5/5
  1043 | D:4     | Reached skill 5 in Fighting
  1088 | D:4     | Noticed Ijyb
  1117 | D:4     | Defeated Ijyb
  1435 | D:4     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 20/55 MP: 6/6
  1665 | D:4     | Reached skill 5 in Polearms
  1815 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  2276 | D:5     | Your scales start taking on a fiery red colour.
  2276 | D:5     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/63 MP: 7/7
  2276 | D:5     | Your scales start taking on a fiery red colour.
  2607 | D:6     | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1).
  2607 | D:6     | Gained mutation: You are frail (-10 percent hp).
  2696 | D:6     | Reached skill 1 in Spellcasting
  2720 | D:6     | Learned a level 1 spell: Corona
  2723 | D:6     | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
  2764 | D:7     | Reached skill 6 in Polearms
  3065 | D:7     | Learned a level 1 spell: Fulsome Distillation
  3068 | D:7     | Learned a level 2 spell: Evaporate
  3159 | D:7     | Got a shiny animal skin
  3165 | D:7     | Identified the +2 animal skin of the Ecumenical Temple (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
  3249 | D:7     | Defeated Vax IV's ghost
  3539 | D:8     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 43/62 MP: 9/10
  3705 | D:8     | Reached skill 7 in Polearms
  4197 | D:7     | Reached skill 5 in Dodging
  4466 | D:8     | Noticed Edmund
  4475 | D:8     | Defeated Edmund
  4799 | D:8     | Reached skill 1 in Stealth
  4859 | D:8     | Reached skill 1 in Necromancy
  4949 | D:8     | Defeated Gorg's ghost
  4949 | D:8     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 29/69 MP: 11/11
  5069 | D:8     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  5070 | D:8     | Got a pitted scythe



[Nikinyo]

Nice scythe, a pity it has no brand. I wonder, what enchantments it has...
Btw, my Kobold Warper is already nearing the last hell rune. I hope to acquire all 15 of them this time.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.4.5 (crawl-ref) character file.

Nikinyo the Kobold Blade (KoWr)         Turns: 193246, Time: 1, 12:58:09

HP 104/181       AC 16     Str 24 (27) Exp: 27/1997395 (2)
MP  37/41        EV 25     Int 15      God: Kikubaaqudgha **
Gold 16258       SH 13     Dex 27      Spells: 14 memorised,  4 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + +   See Invis. : .   a - +7,+6 demon blade (slice)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   e - +1 robe of Zin's Fury
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   n - +2 large shield {rF+}
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   h - +3 helmet "Clics"
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   g - +2 cloak {rPois}
                                     d - +2 pair of dwarf gloves {Str+3}
Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : .   i - +0 pair of boots of Boiling Hail
Res.Mut.  : +       Ctrl.Telep.: .   k - amulet of resist mutation
Res.Slow  : .       Levitation : .   W - ring of the Clouds
Saprovore : + + .   Ctrl.Flight: .   N - ring "Eniw"

@: regenerating, incredibly resistant to magic, extraordinarily stealthy
A: carnivore 3, saprovore 2
a: Recall Undead Slaves, Renounce Religion, Evoke Sense Surroundings,
Evoke Levitation


You are on level 7 of the Iron City of Dis.
You worship Kikubaaqudgha.
Kikubaaqudgha is most pleased with you.
You are full.

You have visited 19 branches of the dungeon, and seen 119 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 7 times.
You have visited 2 Labyrinths.
You have visited 1 portal chamber (including bazaars).

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +7,+6 demon blade of slicing (weapon)
 b - the +13,+4 demon blade "Leech"
   (You found it in a Labyrinth)   
   It inflicts no extra harm, but heals its wielder somewhat when it strikes a
   living foe.
   It affects your evasion (-1).
   It affects your strength (-1).
   It affects your intelligence (-1).
   It affects your dexterity (-1).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It may recurse itself.
Armour
 c - the +0 ring mail of Pessimism
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Vaults)   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 d - a +2 pair of dwarven gloves of strength (worn)
 e - the +1 robe of Zin's Fury (worn)
   (You found it on level 7 of the Elven Halls)   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
 f - the +6 large shield of Context
   (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
 g - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
 h - the +3 helmet "Clics" (worn)
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Vaults)   
   It affects your accuracy (+2).
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 i - the +0 pair of boots of Boiling Hail (worn)
   (You found it on level 9 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3).
 n - a +2 large shield of fire resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 j - a wand of disintegration
 s - a wand of cold
 I - a wand of healing (8)
 R - a wand of teleportation (4)
Comestibles
 z - 3 meat rations
Jewellery
 k - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 m - an uncursed ring of sustenance
 o - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 p - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 v - an uncursed amulet of warding
 N - the ring "Eniw" (left hand)
   (You found it on level 7 of the Elven Halls)   
   [ring of sustenance]
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
 W - the ring of the Clouds (right hand)
   (You found it on level 7 of the Elven Halls)   
   [ring of strength]
   It affects your strength (+5).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you levitate.
   It lets you sense your surroundings.
Potions
 q - 2 potions of healing
 K - a potion of heal wounds
Magical staves
 w - a staff of wizardry


 You have 2 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 15 Fighting
 - Level 6 Short Blades
 + Level 23 Long Blades
 + Level 7 Darts
 + Level 2 Throwing
 + Level 6 Armour
 + Level 17 Dodging
 + Level 17 Stealth
 + Level 15 Stabbing
 + Level 14 Shields
 - Level 2 Traps & Doors
 + Level 7 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 13 Spellcasting
 + Level 15 Enchantments
 + Level 15 Necromancy
 + Level 19 Translocations
 + Level 6 Divinations
 + Level 13 Air Magic
 + Level 9 Invocations
 + Level 4 Evocations


You have 4 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Apportation           Tloc           #######...     Perfect     1
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A            Perfect     2
c - Swiftness             Air/Ench       ######....     Excellent   2
d - Flight                Air/Ench       ######....     Excellent   4
e - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A            Excellent   1
f - Regeneration          Ench/Necr      #######...     Excellent   3
g - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A            Excellent   4
h - Dispel Undead         Necr           #######.       Excellent   4
i - Detect Creatures      Divn           #####..        Excellent   2
j - Silence               Air/Ench       ######....     Excellent   5
k - Selective Amnesia     Ench           N/A            Excellent   4
l - Airstrike             Air            ######....     Excellent   4
m - Haste                 Ench           #######...     Great       6
n - Deflect Missiles      Air/Ench       ######....     Very Good   6
full char dump here http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nikinyo/Nikinyo.txt