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Author Topic: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?  (Read 172806 times)

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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #75 on: October 14, 2010, 03:39:04 pm »


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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2010, 02:07:29 pm »

Is there a utility to create aquifer tiles? Search gave me nothing. I know DFliquids can add water to walls, but it's a long way from infinite.
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2010, 03:56:04 pm »

The extended DFHack tools have some nitty-gritty tile editing, but aquifer creation can be tricky, especially if neighboring tiles have been dug out already.  Essentially, if you want one aquifer tile, you make it and all of it's 8 neighbors aquifer, then dig out the neighbors to get reliable water creation from the center remaining wall tile.
You will have to compile the DFHack unstable playground tools for yourself, though.
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2011, 05:37:06 pm »

Bumping this isn't necessary, being that it's stickied, but I've updated it with information in regards to DF World Tinker and how it allows you to subvert one of the rules, provided that your saves are uncompressed.
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2011, 07:45:09 am »

you can add permitted reactions to an entity file without a problem. I modded some new coal in and I forget the entity file but after saving and chaning it works
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #80 on: April 05, 2011, 02:11:19 am »

I added the civ_controllable tag to a couple of races. Does even that require a newly genned world?
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #81 on: April 19, 2011, 07:12:02 pm »

You can create a new world gen if you mod the creature raws, but in cases where mistakes are made, on MUST delete old gens. They keep old data that may cause crashes or keep the old version of whatever creature you were adding/changing.

And to MasterMorality, my guess is yes, since you had to go into the entity files did you not?
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2011, 03:58:19 pm »

I added the civ_controllable tag to a couple of races. Does even that require a newly genned world?

I do not believe it does.  However, there may be some things controllable civs do differently in the world gen.   Remember you will need to replace the raw file in your saves as well.
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2011, 04:19:41 pm »

You can create a new world gen if you mod the creature raws, but in cases where mistakes are made, on MUST delete old gens. They keep old data that may cause crashes or keep the old version of whatever creature you were adding/changing.

If I understood correctly what you were saying is that if you gen a new world, alter the main raws, then gen a new world you must delete the old ones to avoid conflict? That's not the case, as the saved games are relying only on the raws inside that specific save, any modifications to main raws won't affect nor conflict with old saves.
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #84 on: June 17, 2011, 06:23:26 am »

Being a mod noob I don't understand the thread as some posts seem to conflict with each other.
I can confirm however, that removing equipment so that only this remains

[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_BREASTPLATE:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_MAIL_SHIRT:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_HELM:COMMON]
[GLOVES:ITEM_GLOVES_GAUNTLETS:COMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_BOOTS:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_GREAVES:COMMON]
[SHIELD:ITEM_SHIELD_SHIELD]

from goblin entry in entity_default.txt (in the save raw folder) had no effect. Goblins still showed up wearing full gear.
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #85 on: June 18, 2011, 11:27:19 am »

Being a mod noob I don't understand the thread as some posts seem to conflict with each other.
I can confirm however, that removing equipment so that only this remains from goblin entry in entity_default.txt (in the save raw folder) had no effect. Goblins still showed up wearing full gear.
Keep in mind the dates.  Posts made before .31 will, naturally, not fit the .31 worldgen rules.
Also, you probably want to only read the first post.
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Most entity changes require a new world.
You can create a new world gen if you mod the creature raws, but in cases where mistakes are made, on MUST delete old gens. They keep old data that may cause crashes or keep the old version of whatever creature you were adding/changing.
Not quite.
You just have to edit the correct set of raws.  Old saves will keep the way everything was unless you edit that set of raws.
Changing the main raws will have no effect on your old saves.  No decreased stability, no weird new bugs.
There's no absolute need to generate a new world in that case, unless you add or remove an entry.

The first post still fits.  I've edited it to maintain some terminology that I coined back when the thread first came about to make things a bit easier to understand.
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #86 on: August 01, 2011, 12:47:42 pm »

Hello,

I created a custom reaction and created a new world.  One of the reactants is "cryolite" (example), if I replace "cryolite" with another rock (i.e. microcline), but the rest of the reaction is unchanged (and I'm not creating a new reaction "object"), do I need to generate a new world?

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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #87 on: August 01, 2011, 12:50:23 pm »

Hello,

I created a custom reaction and created a new world.  One of the reactants is "cryolite" (example), if I replace "cryolite" with another rock (i.e. microcline), but the rest of the reaction is unchanged (and I'm not creating a new reaction "object"), do I need to generate a new world?

 - Dame de la Licorne
Nope. You can change the inner parts of reactions all you want, so long as you don't add entirely new reagents or products(if you have reagents "a", "b", and "c" you can't add in a "d". But you can change what reagent "a" is defined as)
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2011, 09:26:21 am »

...unless you inject the new reaction tags into the savegame file.
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Re: Common Question: When do I need to generate a new world?
« Reply #89 on: August 07, 2011, 10:59:24 pm »

This may fall into the bigger question of Tags vs Entities, but would it be necessary to make a gen a new world to add shapes to descriptor_shape_standard?  I'd imagine that the shapes added wouldn't appear where they previously hadn't, but could engravers (for example) make them show up without a gen?  Thanks!
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