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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #180 on: April 13, 2009, 08:46:17 pm »

Do you have any idea just how high a plane is if it is at 10000 feet...
Not one, and feet are what I grew up with.  Give it to me in SI, and I might have a better idea.  That's the old system for ya.
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #181 on: April 13, 2009, 09:10:04 pm »

Do you have any idea just how high a plane is if it is at 10000 feet...

A little under 2 miles, about one third normal cruising altitude of commercial aircraft.
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #182 on: April 14, 2009, 06:38:36 am »

Hi all, first time ever posting here.

I'm sure this has been done by others, but I wrote a fairly simple tool converts between fahrenheit, celcius, kelvin and DF Temperature Units (calling it urist for lack of more concise term.)

It utilizes JavaScript, so you'll need to enable it if you don't have it turned on already.
You can use it here: http://andvari.us/dwarf_temp_tool.html
To use it offline simply download the html file anywhere to your computer and point your web browser at the local file.

I put a CC0 notice at the bottom of the page; it's all big and official looking, but the only thing I intended to convey was that I'm putting this out there for anyone to use however they want, they don't even have to give me any credit.
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #183 on: April 14, 2009, 11:13:11 am »

I think SI uses 100o circles.

Anyway, the most common elements are some of the low-mass metals and nonmetals.  Those never show up in elemental form(except noble gases and low-mass noble metals).  Elemental hydrogen is highly reactive, and if there is oxygen around (which there always will be in nature), it will likely form water.

 In stars almost everything is in plasma form, in which they stripped of electrons.  An element is a substance, but when an atom is in non-elemental form, it is a different substance.  Water is the most common substance

As for the Earth-centric comment . . . Only the planets that are on the highest extremes of heat or cold (naturally possible) don't have weather.  Besides, life and weather are just examples.

And people keep insisting that the discussion be dropped because there is a lot of faulty logic behind some arguments.
Angle is a unitless measure (it's actually a fraction, nothing else), and that's why it's not mentioned in SI. It doesn't matter whether you have 90/360 degrees, 100/400 gon or whatever, it comes down to 1/4th of a circle.

I compliment you for your comments about water. Most people think water is a rarity only found on earth, but this is of course nonsense. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, and Oxygen is following closely on third place. Also, water can form at very low temperatures, and even very high, if pressure is also high.

Weather on other planets is a bit off-topic though. I don't think we need a scale for gaseous-metal-storms that is useful for regular people. At least not in the near future.
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #184 on: April 14, 2009, 02:12:37 pm »

I think SI uses 100o circles.

The only SI unit for angles is the radian, which no-one really commonly uses (except implicitly for torque etc) - there's an obsolete system with the circle divided into 400 units, but that's not SI.

It might interest you to know that there is no pressure at which water freezes at exactly 0 C and boils at exactly 100 C, and the C scale's definition isn't tied to it (though it is tied indirectly to the _triple point_ of water - the temperature and pressure at which all three states of water can exist simultaneously) anymore.

Anyway - I agree with the proposal that multiple units should be allowed in the raws. For performance, the internally used number has to be _some_ kind of integer (though it could be tenths or whatever of a degree), and it makes sense to allow it to be entered in either C or K at the least. Once it's doing a conversion, why _not_ allow F?  That's what I don't get - why so many people have such a deep hatred for the fahrenheit scale that people using it _must not_ be accomodated.
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #185 on: April 14, 2009, 03:46:31 pm »

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  why so many people have such a deep hatred for the fahrenheit scale that people using it _must not_ be accomodated.
Racism or elitism.  It's not logical but it does happen. 

Hi all, first time ever posting here.

I'm sure this has been done by others, but I wrote a fairly simple tool converts between fahrenheit, celcius, kelvin and DF Temperature Units (calling it urist for lack of more concise term.)

It utilizes JavaScript, so you'll need to enable it if you don't have it turned on already.
You can use it here: http://andvari.us/dwarf_temp_tool.html
To use it offline simply download the html file anywhere to your computer and point your web browser at the local file.

I put a CC0 notice at the bottom of the page; it's all big and official looking, but the only thing I intended to convey was that I'm putting this out there for anyone to use however they want, they don't even have to give me any credit.

That is a very useful tool.  I am adding it to my modding utilities section in my signature. =)


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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #186 on: April 14, 2009, 04:06:10 pm »

Why do so many people insist on demanding that discussion be dropped?

It is immoral because it wastes bandwidth and contributes to making people even stupider.
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #187 on: April 14, 2009, 10:44:10 pm »

Why? It only makes sense for it to be switchable in the init (Celcius,Kelvin,Ferenhiet,Urist)
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #188 on: April 14, 2009, 11:51:28 pm »

Temperature is never shown in-game in any way shape or form. The units used to measure temperature are only of concern to modders and Toady. Suggest moving this to the DF modding board or something. Also RAGE RAGE RAGE TROLL RAGE TROLL RAGE
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #189 on: April 15, 2009, 12:34:12 am »

Sorry, but the Urist scale is already taken, unless Toady claimed it before...

DF Temperature Units (calling it urist for lack of more concise term.)

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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #190 on: April 15, 2009, 06:04:11 am »

0D = 4C = perfect temperature for a nice cold beer
100D = 73C = perfect temperature for a cup of boiled wine (OK, I just used 73C so that 50D is healthy body temperature)
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #191 on: April 15, 2009, 06:11:53 am »

38.5C aren't really healthy...
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #192 on: April 15, 2009, 11:14:25 am »

To throw in another argument in favour of C in this thread that won't die, in being based on water freezing and boiling at 1 atmosphere C actually is MORE interesting and relevant for the human body than F, in that it says something about the human situation and constitution. 100F (ok, 96F) being "good" is not as immediately telling as 37C in the range 0..100.
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Re: Change temperature to Celsius
« Reply #193 on: April 15, 2009, 12:10:59 pm »

38.5C aren't really healthy...
73/2=36.5
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« Reply #194 on: April 15, 2009, 02:06:30 pm »

This thread amuses me far far too much.
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