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[Jonathan S. Fox]

I'm not sure how the Rampage thing would work, really.

Cyborgs in the future is in the area where the return on time invested is very little in terms of how fun the game is. If we were to make the future exciting in terms of varied gameplay, we might as well make a new game set in the future so that you can actually experience that future gameplay, instead of just have a 1/100 chance or less of stumbling into it on a freak accident.

[Neonivek]

Cyborgs are kinda unneeded as they are already developing external suits that enhance your natural attributes.

Also why have Cyborg Police Officers? If you want people to listen to them then you give them Technosuits. Much cheaper and it makes people listen.

[Zangi]

Well then, scratch my cyborg idea.  Was flimsy anyways...  here is another flimsy idea to replace the indestructible tank....  genetically enhanced human soldiers?

High health, wisdom, agi, weapon skills, and tactics... with soldier armor and naturally abysmal heart?  (High Juice? to help simulate that?  I've noticed that judges and certain high stat conservatives got juice....)  And if you see fit, a unique skill or 2 that shields against interrogation like Business, Religion, Science...  Skill(s) relying only on wisdom to be good...  so interrogation is hard... and still hard to set-up afterwards...

And something else to it:
Replace tank traps with some sort of biochemical warfare stuff that only effects the genetic soldiers which you steal pieces of from various other places.
(Intell HQ, Corporate HQ, CEO House, Police Station, and the mutation lab)  <-- 5 pieces and put together with science folks.
Yea, Genetic Soldiers should be the prize... units, above Agent, shouldn't they?
This stuff is optional isn't it?  You can go a game without raids... and even so, can abandon the base before the army comes and all that mess.

Actually, the CCS, later on could have em...

Just another random half-baked idea.

[Neonivek]

The problem with Genetically enhanced soldiers is that it is highly doubtful the United States would create them specifically for the military (There was a movie about that... The Silent man?)

It would make sense however if in the future there is a percent chance that someone in certain jobs are genetically enhanced.

However to keep it realistic it should depend on how lucrative their job is. So Doctors have a good (though still rare) chance while transients would have no chance.

Though it should still be rare.

[Ciarog]

Universal Soldier?

We allready have Spaceball Bats. If y'all keep this up you'll have a game that feels less like a cyberpunk dystopia from a Bush2-era liberal's nightmares and rantings, and more like a cyberpunk dystopia movie from a Reagan-era liberal's nightmares and rantings.

Of course, I can't really say that that's a bad thing...

[Zangi]

Actually, it would be in US interests to have better fighting soldiers.  It would give them a technological and manpower advantage... having soldiers who are more willing to do certain things without talking...

Better reaction, endurance, strength, and what-not...

But yea...  on the basis that sharing is caring... and the US govt doesn't care about others enough to willingly share military technology that give advantages such as this without a good reason...

[Neonivek]

"it would be in US interests to have better fighting soldiers"

It would be but you can only genetically alter someone during conception.

So that would mean the United States would have to raise babies and HOPE they become soldiers. Which is a poor use of resources and illmoral.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

But yea...  on the basis that sharing is caring... and the US govt doesn't care about others enough to willingly share military technology that give advantages such as this without a good reason...

The United States is formally or informally in military alliances with something approximating half the globe. It should not be surprising, then, that this puts the US in the position of having to learn to share its toys! In particular, the US is in the habit of selling advanced technology and military equipment to Albania, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Morocco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, and the United Kingdom.

[Servant Corps]

I think the US sells weapons to the gulf states like Saudi Arabia. I also believe the US sell weapons to India like jets (I know of that because Pakistani media made a pretty big stir about that).

The American military also seems to be shifting emphasis from conventional warfare to fighting insurgencies. So, I don't think the US would be able to build its super-cyborg-army, because deploying it on the LCS is just overkill and will likely cause a new LCS to be formed by disgruntled Liberals.

[mainiac]

The American military also seems to be shifting emphasis from conventional warfare to fighting insurgencies.

According the right honorable Secretary Gates, 50% of the budget goes to conventional wars, 10% to insurgencies and 40% goes to stuff that can be used for both purposes.

That's a rather slow shift, no?

[Zangi]

@Servant Corps: They already send tanks in-game against the LCS...   in the middle of a US city.  No Martial Law or any of that stuff declared either.

@Jonathan S. Fox: So the US is handing over or selling to other governments technology that is in every way equal to what the current US army uses?  Even 'under the hood' technology?
Yea... hard to convince me of that... as a dominant power, you want to stay that way.  Which means keeping certain things out of the hands of others.  Knowledge is power.

@Neonivek: As for the genetic soldiers, who says that the military would be using the public populace?  Or that the public would even know?  Maybe test tube/homegrown babies?

Eh, I'm probably getting myself off as a conspiracy nut.
Well in the end, you don't have to use this.  Just an idea I thought up on the spot, powered by the logic of my limited view/opinion.
(Though, it seems that more worldly/political/whatever debating gets done on this forum then anything else.)

A question for the general debating populace:  You/we/whatever are trying to make LCS realistic or something?  (Just so I am sorta clear on what sort of ideas/suggestions/whatever would fit, if any.)

EDIT: Also, if I continue trying to defend this, I might actually have to go and...  *GASP* research whatever I spout instead of taking stuff out of my arse...

[Guy Montag]

The USA sells to whoever is buying and isn't on our list of governments we don't like.

Most of the western hemisphere is supplied by the USA. South America is using all sorts of old tanks, artillery, F-16 fighter planes and everything from radios to helicopters to warships is purchased by nations that otherwise cannot practically produce the stuff economically in their own nation.

France, Brazil, Belgium, Germany, Israel and Russia does this, with little thought to diplomatic impact or anything else. Falkland island wars, for example was fought between Argentina equipped with a A-4 American fighters, Israeli and French Mirage Fighter planes, American warships, French Exocet anti-ship missiles against the UK, Belgium designed rifles and American manufactured artillery.

Its a bit ironic that your sailors and soldiers are being killed by weapons your allies produced and sold to your enemy, you'd think. But its just business. Whoever wants it and has the money, will have what they want. What they do with that stuff is up to the purchaser.

[Ciarog]

@Servant Corps: They already send tanks in-game against the LCS...   in the middle of a US city.  No Martial Law or any of that stuff declared either.

National Guard only requires the state governor's approval to intervene in civil matters. Besides that, I tend to think of their "tanks" as being SWAT-style armoured cars rather than actual main battle tanks: variants of the Cadillac Gage Commandos and MOWAG Piranhas, perhaps?

[Ciarog]

The USA sells to whoever is buying and isn't on our list of governments we don't like.

Most of the western hemisphere is supplied by the USA. South America is using all sorts of old tanks, artillery, F-16 fighter planes and everything from radios to helicopters to warships is purchased by nations that otherwise cannot practically produce the stuff economically in their own nation.

France, Brazil, Belgium, Germany, Israel and Russia does this, with little thought to diplomatic impact or anything else. Falkland island wars, for example was fought between Argentina equipped with a A-4 American fighters, Israeli and French Mirage Fighter planes, American warships, French Exocet anti-ship missiles against the UK, Belgium designed rifles and American manufactured artillery.

Its a bit ironic that your sailors and soldiers are being killed by weapons your allies produced and sold to your enemy, you'd think. But its just business. Whoever wants it and has the money, will have what they want. What they do with that stuff is up to the purchaser.

It ain't just the government. Did you know that Fidel Castro was able to arm his revolutionaries thinks in large part due to World War II surplus sold to him by Miami gunstores? Quite a few were then used against Kennedy's pawns at Playa Girón.

Having realized that the American government is run by a bunch of Mafia dunderheads, some participants in the Escambray Rebellion likewise armed themselves on the civilian market, and Anti-Castro militias in Florida continue to do so. Of course Castophiles on the American and International Left like to raise Holy Hell about that; I consider it poetic justice.

[Guy Montag]

Well a lot of our huge military-industrial complex is devoted to export-only equipment. The Russians did the same thing back in the day, with their "monkey model" T-72 versions and the such.

Cadillac-gage is especially fond of manufacturing hardware for the 3rd world masses, and very few nations are not in the market or on the govt's "would'nt be prudent" list.

The Cuban revolution had a few weapons smuggled in from the USA, mostly ancient lever-action rifles, old school .38 revolvers and bolt-action deer rifles and other weapons with that 1950's flavor that was the vast majority of the USA domestic civilian market back in the day. Not like today's domestic market with it's AR-15s and FN FALS, and a vast assortment of military and police-styled weaponry.

Castro's homeboys mostly rolled out with machetes and stuff they snagged from Cuban armories.

Too bad about the Bay of Pigs. I think most Cubans and everyone else around today would be much happier seeing Mr. Immortal Castro in the ground decades ago. I remember the Cubans in Orlando dancing in the street when it was announced Castro was sick with whatever disease he has.

I put the blame firmly on Jack Kennedy. Socialist bastard.