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[adam01526]

I know that something like this been done before but the thread seems to be dead. The idea is that you control the game for a year, you cannot control it for two years running but you are allowed more than one go. You have to post what you want to achieve when you first take over, any updates you want to add and how much of what you set out to achieve have you. So does anyone want to give it go?

1st January 2007

Aims

*To get $50,000
*To get the founder to elite liberal

[adam01526]

1st January 2008

I have made $5000
My founder and 5 other members of the LCS are in prison, two of them are in there for 11 and 15 years, whilst the others are awaiting trial. The founder Howard should get released because he has managed to talk his way out twice before and he has 3 in law.

Here is the link to the save.

http://uploading.com/files/P53NSX0K/save.dat.html

[Yanlin]

So is this like a community game? I'd feel better if it was organized instead of this. This should probably go to the forum games section. Hilarity ensues when people who don't normally play LCS, play LCS.

[adam01526]

Ok, I havent played LCS since 3.09 so im crap

[mainiac]

I took up the save game.  Things are looking rough.  The last free LCS member died to a stray soldier.  The founder won his case, barely, so it's time for vengence.

I'm only in mid term, but I need to stop playing for a while, so if someone wants to take over, be my guest.  If not, I'll get back to work tomorrow.

http://theamazingjex.googlepages.com/save.dat

[Zangi]

I figure what would be better is that the founder take a back seat... only to recruit the player character....  Basically General and Lieutenant kind of deal...

Question: Is there a total liberal cap?  I havn't reached it myself...  (Not counting individual character cap)

My proposal:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Character catagory:
Founder -  Big Boss
Lieutenant(Lt.) - The Player Boss, under the Founder
Actives - The non-sleepers under each Lieutenant
Sleepers - The sleepers under each Lieutenant

Ground Rules:
1. Anyone can use the Founder as they please, especially to help get started ...  (I figure we don't want him /her to die.)

2. Each Lt. can claim at most 1 apartment... 1st come 1st serve.

3. At end of turn all of Lt. actives are sent to lay low at whatever claimed base.  (Which means other Lt. have to have income base to support food for em too... money may be tight early on... 5th-6th player would have the hardest time on first round... homeless shelter is shared...)

4. Recruiting/Dating/Ongoing activities must be cut off/finished at end turn.

5. Sleepers, can keep on doing whatever they are doing at end turn.

6. Lt. can borrow other Lt. actives.  No deliberately killing off other Lt. actives.. you know?  (Their numbers cannot be more then your own going on site, so if you only send 1 of your own guys, you can't bring more then 1 borrowed Lt. active)

7. No tampering with other Lt. sleeper activities.

8. Each Lt. can be as Liberal or Conservative as they wish with the policies... they each have their own agenda.

9. When borrowing other Lt. actives, they cannot be used to do something that is against the owner Lt.'s agenda.  Can't be used for passive activities either.

10. Enlightened are Liberal 'slaves', they can be trade commodity between Lt. (Also can be used to pay off incurred losses....)

11. Basically the 'top' liberal sleeper lawyer belongs to the Founder/everyone...  (retired sleeper lawyer belongs to the person replacing him/her...)

12.  No, you cannot be an arch-conservative, thats the job of the CCS.  You need at least 4-5 Liberal Agendas.

Random footnotes:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Anyone can use the founder as they please though... (extreme care should be taken to his/her life) and each Lieutenant can 'borrow' subordinates from other Lieutenants, but not the Lieutenants themselves.

Someone can actually have a conservative agenda...  so players can work against each other.  What does 'your' character believe? 
Example: Lt. A believes in strict Liberal gun control but, is all for child labor... but, Lt. B believes in guns for everyone and Unionized work force...

Player 'moles'

(Its too easy to just kill characters by just letting them stand there and not react... and putting em in impossible situations too... non-fighters are obviously non-fighters...)  We can restrict it so that Lt. with differing agendas like that won't allow troops to be used for a cause they are against...

Each player then makes their own sub-division.  Each with their own personal agenda/goal and base... I think there is, 13 bases available total?  (You can acquire the crack houses by beating people up or killing, even if you lose all your recruits.)

6 players at a time, 2 bases each.  At least 1 apartment for each person...

It would be interesting... to see how things would develop... with the subtle in-fighting...

Winner = Lt. completing their total agenda?

[Servant Corps]

Well, thinking of the Player Moles though...

Lt. A needs to attack the court house to affect Gun Laws, while brainwashing CEOs and getting them to promote Conservativism to change Labor Laws.

Lt. B needs to attack factories and get Conservative Judge sleepers to promote Conservativism and get Gun Laws to be C+.

Having different Agendas would prevent people from playing the "I have so many Conservative News Anchors on my payroll that I basically own Fox News" card. Which is a good thing. The bad news is that it makes spouting conservativism good.

There needs to be a way Lt. A and Lt. B would be able to start attacking each other though.

[Zangi]

Ah, its not available in-game mechanic, except by suicide missions or something...   No protection against that.

Think RP... 
Let the players work against each other.  The founder, an elite liberal, is 'oblivious' to your conservative agenda and won't tolerate open in-fighting / will put you down.  (Think of it as all your subordinates hold varying loyalty to the founder... you don't know who would stab you in the back or 'reeducate' you under his/her orders if you are found to be causing more trouble then good...)

Only together cause you have some common goals... and the founder is a true/better leader then all of you....
United you stand against the arch-conservatives.  Divided, small fish to be eaten whole and/or ignored.

[AdamN]

I think that the game should be started again as has been stated the founder should take a backseat role recruiting and seducing and letting his minions risk their lives. By the way adam01526 and me are the same but i have forgotten the passowrd for adam01526

[mainiac]

I think that the game should be started again as has been stated the founder should take a backseat role recruiting and seducing and letting his minions risk their lives. By the way adam01526 and me are the same but i have forgotten the passowrd for adam01526

If we are restarting, you might want to reconsider the length of a turn as well.  A year is a Looong time for some players.  With the developed squad you handed over to me at the end of your term, I think I could shift popular opinion to L+ in a year of time.

[AdamN]

I agree, i think that the minimum should be a month and the maximum two years. What do you think about it?

[mainiac]

I think a month might be most interesting.  It would enhance the sharedness of the game.  It would slow it down somewhat, but probably not too much.

[EuchreJack]

Edit: I agree with AdamN, let the player decide from one month to two years, based on how they want to play, and the events of the game.

Also, the idea of acting through Leutenants is good, simply because it'll increase the survival rate of this game, and allow our accomplishments to be more permenant.  However, I'd suggest we keep actual regulations low for two reasons:

1) Due to the nature of the game, tactical flexibility is essential for survival.  I'm not gonna surrender somebody's mass murderer Avatar just because the Police show up and I don't want to play them.  Ok, maybe I won't...

2) From my experience running the Association of Liberal Crime Squads, I conclude regulations probably stiffle and scare away players.

The player interaction dynamic is interesting.  What do we think about one player who amasses $50,000 only to have the next burn the money on guns for suicide squads, leaving the LCS broke and hated?  Would the first player be upset?  Would the second player be praised for being humorous, or hated for being Conservative? 

Do we have the maturity to say: It's just a game, and when I turn this save over, I realize the next player will probably intentionally lose, and I'm ok with that.

I like the idea, partially because it allows me to indulge my egotism, and partially because I never am able to finish a game of LCS.  Oh, the game's fun too.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

I'm inclined to agree that minimal regulations and a preparedness to accept that the next guy is entirely likely to drive the squad into the ground is the best policy for something like this.

[Zangi]

Watered-down version:

Character catagory:
Founder -  Big Boss <-- this person should stay alive... >.> if it could be helped...
Lieutenant(Lt.) - The Player Boss, under the Founder

Ground Rules:
1. Can't use someone else's Lt. for activities / on-site stuff... or deliberately move em to a hot-zone...

2. At end of turn the Lt. is advised to lay low...

3. Each Lt. can be as Liberal or Conservative as they wish with the policies... they each have their own agenda.

4.  No, you cannot be an arch-conservative, thats the job of the CCS.  You should have at least 4-5 Liberal Agendas to work towards.  This is LCS after-all....