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[Solifuge]

I can't wrap my head around the idea of disliking or hating people on the basis of their preferences, whether they encompass favorite foods, pastimes, or even what they find attractive in others.

Homosexuality is a long-standing historical tradition, dating back to the earliest civilizations, and continuing on through modern times, though societies have viewed it differently as the years go by. Additionally, it is perfectly natural, as a great deal of animal species have been known to practice it, some quite regularly.

Moreover, within the last 2 years of my life, I've been introduced to a great number of people who live "non-traditional" lifestyles. Some of them are transgendered, and identify as a gender different than their physical sex. I've come into the understanding that Gender Roles and Sexuality are completely artificial concepts that parts of our societies have created... and knowing that, I really cannot see how something can be such a great article of contention for people.


On a personal note, my own mother was under the assumption that I was gay for most of my teen years, because I hung out with a lot of girls, but never introduced her to one as a girlfriend. Though I've only been in relationships with girls, I'm probably closer to bisexual than exclusively heterosexual; I try to look at who a person is rather than what they are.

[Neonivek]

I can't wrap my head around the idea of disliking or hating people on the basis of their preferences, whether they encompass favorite foods, pastimes, or even what they find attractive in others

Though I can barely unstand it myself I am sure if you changed that to "Eating live brains of unwilling children".

Though I find it hard in myself to hate people I probably should legitimately hate... Like Murderers.

[Solifuge]

I guess I should append that: I think anyone has a right to do whatever will make them truly happy, so long as it doesn't infringe on the other people's pursuit of happiness.

[Neonivek]

I think anyone has a right to do whatever will make them truly happy, so long as it doesn't infringe on the other people's pursuit of happiness

It would seem like the way to do it but like the word "Equality" it has some faults that can easily be brought up usually due to how many ways it can be interpreted. (The main problem with the term Equality is that it is used undefined as a blanket term that can mean anything. Basically it means anything you want it to. The same will happen to your phrase "Happy" and "Happyness" and oddly enough "People")

Though I understand what you mean.

[ToonyMan]

Don't worry.  This forum is Hate-Free^tm


I see no wrong.

[Awayfarer]

I don't see a problem with it. I don't see what business it is of mine as to where people are getting their orgasms.

[Reasonableman]

Hrm. Funny. I wonder if there's a single person vehemently opposed to homosexuality on these forums, and they're afraid to speak up, or we really are quite the tolerant little community.

[Neonivek]

Hrm. Funny. I wonder if there's a single person vehemently opposed to homosexuality on these forums, and they're afraid to speak up, or we really are quite the tolerant little community.

I don't know if I would accept the Tolerance badge even if the situation is that no one here is opposed. I am sure if that person did post here we would see a flamewar envelope.

It is a concequence of Tollerance that being tollerant of people's oppinions is required.

Then again Tollerance is a Cardinal Virtue. True virtue is being tollerant enough to ignore what needs to be but to act on true injustice as well.

All these aspects of tollerance are often lost and forgotten likely out of the fear that intollerance as wroght.

[ToonyMan]

All I know is that I want a bacon burger right now, too bad the oven is out of skunk.

[Lear]

Morally opposed to it.
 Also morally opposed to hate.

 To really dumb it down, say two people want to buy a car. One wants it one color, one wants it another. You may oppose whatever color the other guy wants, but it is no basis to hate them.

 So I think it's wrong, but it is stupid to act stupid about it. I'll just treat them like any other person and things will be alright.

Basically how I see it. I have at least 1 gay or bi friend who has been one of my best friends since 8th grade. I don't agree, but it's not my place to tell him what to do. People who are all bent on keeping gay marriage illegal are putting a lot of effort toward something somewhat trivial when there are far more serious things to focus on.

[Neonivek]

People who are all bent on keeping gay marriage illegal are putting a lot of effort toward something somewhat trivial when there are far more serious issues out there

I don't know. Marriage can all boil down to the family and there is nothing more important then the family. So there being more serious issues out there doesn't exactly hold.

Though for the most part most people don't know the real issue to the point where even I don't think I know the real issue here.

Some people have the idea that the Government is trying to enforce the Catholic Church (and others but I am unaware of them) to allow Gay weddings. Which to my knowledge is impossible according to both the Church, as the definition is immutable, and the Government cannot enforce practices onto a religion except for the safety (and possibly other stuff) of its followers.

So to my knowledge the real issue is that people want the government to change its laws to allow Legal marriages between members of the same sex. Is this true or is it somehow the "Government overstepping their lines"? You have to understand that from my perspective the second outcome makes absolutely no sense.

If it is the first one I am surprised they arn't mad that the government considers people who simply live together to be married.

[Muz]

I'm tempted to say I hate gays just to be different from you guys

Heh, I dunno, I don't encourage it, it's sort of turning into a trend. Instead of fighting for breast cancer awareness, people these days are having huge rallies to fight for gay rights. If you're gay, I have nothing against it. It's "unnatural", but so is having cancer, it's more of pity than hate, in the sense of "I'm sorry that boobs don't turn you on, bro. You're missing out."

People who are all bent on keeping gay marriage illegal are putting a lot of effort toward something somewhat trivial when there are far more serious things to focus on.

Well, you can say the same thing about the people who are all bent on making gay marriage legal. It's a lot more effort to make something legal than to keep it illegal.

I'm not against gay marriages.. I'm against making the people who hate them perform them. Forcing homophobic priests perform a gay marriage is like a crime against the priests' rights. It's all fine if you can keep priests out of it.

[Neonivek]

Forcing homophobic priests perform a gay marriage is like a crime against the priests' rights

Specifically the Catholic Church isn't against being Homosexual it is against the act (specifically the sexual act). Which isn't to my knowledge Homophobic by strict definition (The Political definition is pretty flexable).

Once again I honestly doubt that is what the government is actually doing since it is impossible for a Priest to actually give a gay wedding in terms of his religion and it doesn't make sense for the government who advocates further seperation between government and religion to enforce that kind of thing onto a religion especially since they have "Legal Weddings" as it is. I don't see the Government having any power to make them do anything outside of safety concerns or else Cults would be much easier to take down.

I don't encourage it

That is alright. Your only supposed to be tollerant not supportive. (Ignoring how the politics work... Honestly have I mentioned how much I hate the politics on both sides?)

I'm tempted to say I hate gays just to be different from you guys

Well no one is forcing you to like them 

One of the reasons I dislike the current politics is that it is too focused around bashing down everyone who thinks differently in anyway (Both sides once again yay!). That isn't the true path in my mind.

[Yanlin]

Where I'm from, all the teens absolutely HATE gay people. Hate them enough to enact HORRIFIC violence upon them.

Same with anyone supporting gay people... Gay is pretty much an insult here.

It makes me sick.

So far, there's scientific proof that our sexual tendencies are almost hardcoded in our genes. Case in point: A homosexual man was introduced into a harem of some of the most hot women you have ever not-seen. He couldn't even get an erection. No matter how hard those women tried.

The test was repeated many times on various different homosexual males. The best success they had was one admitting to be a bisexual.

I'm waiting for the test to be conducted on lesbians.

If you have to ask, all parties involved are willing and paid.

I can't cite this test, because I only heard rumors of it. But from other studies on genes and homosexuality, it's hardcoded in our genes.



But yeah. My opinion on homosexuality is go right ahead. Freedom is the key word here. That includes sexual freedom. Now since I believe in autocracy (And sometimes my own style of technocracy) I think that anyone can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they don't damage their performance in society (As in, being bad at work. Being inefficient and generally a horrible worker) or others. (Drugs don't just damage you. They damage your family and everyone else that happens to inhale the smoke. I'm looking at you, cigarette smokers. Tobacco is a drug legalized by people who were uneducated about it.)

[Muz]

Heh, I knew someone would mention the genetics, but I'll just say that it runs completely opposite of what the natural selection theory suggests, and the percentage of them is way against the mutation rate. Going with natural selection theory, they'd only make up around 0.03% of the population.. should be far less since being gay directly inhibits your chances of having kids.

I'm straight and most "hot women" I don't know won't even give me an erection no matter how hard they try. Especially if I were paid. The girlfriend can easily turn me on, though. And obviously a lot of that would be faked, because plenty of gay men have biological children, and well.. you can't make babies without being just a little turned on.


But unnatural or not, it shouldn't make a difference. I mean, I like elf porn. My girlfriend probably likes furries. I bet all of you have some weird fetish for something, but it doesn't affect what you do, and shouldn't matter.